Nah you'll dig it, it's pretty much Dark Souls 4

@drjdeponytail tell these fools about Aladdin Sane

i think people sometimes overstate the "togetherness" of the individual decades, if that makes sense

acting like 1980 and 1979 belong more with their respective "decades" than with each other

also kinda ties back to the idea that people have a set year in mind too prominently anyway when listening to music and it should just go beyond worrying if something "sounds like 1966" or is "timeless" but i realize that is a totally useless discussion and people will always utilize the calendar to describe a lot of these things

Personally all this s*** made alot more sense once I knew exactly when everything came out

Was listening to Transformer earlier and Ronson was truly a beast, underrated tbh

This is only a recent phenomenon in reality. Before about the 19th century nobody ever really distinguished time in this way. There wasn’t really a perspective on past and future but more so a continuation of the present. The constant shifts in culture and technology in the last couple hundred years has made these distinctions more prominent and I think breaking time down by decades while flawed tends to work well enough.

same but then there is just a point where sometimes its good to take a step back. after all it is something nonmusical that can unintentionally pollute thoughts of the music. its cool if something seeming "ahead of their time" makes it more interesting but potentially unfair if something amazing can just get cast aside because it was released a few years too late

and yes this is convo is too nerdy anyway

I don't recall ever casting something aside just for being derivative usually enjoy picking out the influences

same here but some people definitely do i feel like. not itt, just in general, probably some critics

innovation is great but some can take it a step too far and disregard (building on) tradition which is bad imo especially considering how important it is for some forms of music

but ofc it can be lame if something is just a direct copy or something though years later

Critics hated early Zeppelin cause they were “derivative”

there are definitely different levels to it. someone who blends influences in a novel way, someone who doesnt invent much but still pays respect to the tradition and does it in a valuable way, or someone who might as well just be a lukewarm cover artist with no identity

link on that being the reason? i bet they were just disregarding any blues based music as looking too much into the past

good example of obviously taking influences from something but inarguably making something new out of it. despite a few dumbasses who probably claim that they werent originals at all. ofc the uncredited covers/occasional plagiarism thing complicates it as well as people not understanding the blues tradition but its not like songwriting was their major contribution to music

Hail Caesar ends a little too abruptly. Could have watched another hour in that world. Still what is there is like 4 star material.

Revisited all zep at work the other day and I probably would've been a hater of the first two tbh

Cataclysmic

as if they even sound that different from the rest especially II which was the real crystallization of the sound

First one is above average but the second is a slog. Lemon Song

3 and Houses are very different

They are kind of egregious too because they were ripping off blues standards without giving them the songwriting credit

They were their own thing by then

I remember an iTunes review of Zep 1 said it was a Willie Dixon cover album

this would hit me differently if it was another genre besides the ones where half the standards were ripped off other ones anyway

they were their own thing with I and that is their most significant album, and you know i can be a slight detractor of them sometimes lowkey one of the more important albums in rock history ngl

Yeah but how many of the British Invasion bands were doing slight rewrites to avoid giving up songwriting? Can't think of many

Also iirc they are still in court over Stairway intro which they might as well throw Spirit a frickin bone at this point cause i doubt they're living the cozy rockstar retirements they deserve

Yeah I know but personally Thank You the first interesting thing they did :elon: