hmmm. i guess i can see that from the first paragraph in the article. but it seems like he's talking about two different things at once to me.

first he talks about the lack of sophistication in music and computerized songmaking, which would validate the fast food argument.

but mostly his focus seems to be on songwriters who work primarily by themselves, which would have nothing to do with the lasting effect of a song. interesting either way.

tbf he's old, you know old people start with mixed up words and go from there

it seemed like he started at real songs, then his next sentence clarified what he means.

Theres multiple reasons for that though

I disagree with Elton here, but Elton is a legend, don't want to hear any disrespect

it's odd cos when i was trying to think of popstars who could write, the most obvious and talented example is Calvin Harris, who's from the UK. And Charli XCX has proven that she can write probably above the amount someone from his era like Rod Stewart used to, even tho she covers songs like Boys too

Uh he's praised young thug

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I disagree with him but I’m glad he’s giving Conan Gray some recognition.

Some people just don’t have that type of talent to compose and write songs like that. It is disappointing we don’t have bigger names with writing credits like that tho,the biggest names don’t write and they don’t have to cause that’s not usually the reason why their famous in the first place.

Exactly. Elton has proved he’s one of the best of all time. He can voice this kinds of opinions. I don’t agree with him but he’s passed so many levels. Elton is a king.

yeah, but don't you think there would be something good culturally in having artists like Sam Cooke, Curtis Mayfield, Jagger/Richards, Lennon/McCartney, Bob Dylan, Carole King etc.

Who could drop and compete with every other artist with their songwriting alone?

But from everything we know, someone like Kendrick is the modern equivalent to that. Like Ye said rap the new rock n roll

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yeah lol that and i was about to respond to your last reply to me, about how things were different in his era. definitely a factor, and this isn't really too different from some criticisms people have today with certain artists. it really was just the way he worded it but it's a valid observation.

specifically the part about how "bits and pieces" make up a song. i immediately thought of beyonce's writing camps where she takes a verse here, a bridge there and puts it all together from several different songwriters. still makes for excellent music, but I get his viewpoint on it.

art is a collaborative process

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it can be. and it was for him.

he's basically just saying y'all are doing too much and not enough lol

but that's also why i just can't see Beyonce as some genius on the level of Kate Bush or Carole King. or even mia, missy elliot or amy winehouse tbh lol.

Even people who did a lot of covers like Nina Simone, have written some of their best material and made incredible arrangements of traditional songs

beyonce has the gift that she can make things the dream writes sound good but that doesn't make you james brown or prince lol.

there's an argument that some singers put a twist on a song to the point they've created through arrangement. But is singing really creating or just performing someone else's art same with most popstars rn RiRi, bieber etc.

Even if he was he kinda right

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