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  • Scratchin Mamba ⚒️
    Apr 25, 2022
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    cold mountain

    the dude perpetuating the 13/52 is not a communist, you also told me previously that Marx rejects scientific (or, metaphysical) materialism

    there is no reason for us to be arguing

    Exactly so there is no reason to keep saying it's about big bad materialism either which u keep saying, there are different types of materialism and u saying it's just materialism as if they're all the same and inevitably lead to dumb shyt like this is bs lol

  • Apr 25, 2022

    the irony isn't lost on me btw that i apparently have read 0 of anything about basic materialism, and then i have communists espousing stereotypical idealist strawmen that were literally clarified by the philosophers in their damn books

  • Niggamortis đź§Š
    Apr 25, 2022
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    rami

    did that dude get banned?

    mf went quiet after ppl called him out for using a disproven stat only used by racists

    Think he just deleted the OG post.

  • Apr 25, 2022

  • eye contact 📿
    Apr 25, 2022
    8J6

    They’ll be changes but Twitter will be business as usual

    Yeah I think people are overbloating it

  • Flaphead 🎧
    Apr 25, 2022
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    1887

    Can't fix an unwilling/corrupt government even with money. I know the kids are happy to be drinking clean water at schools

    https://twitter.com/FlintSchools/status/1047991717507584001

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-flint-michigan-water-b2011633.html

    This is what I mean though. Credit where it’s due for donating half a mil to the school district, but his original tweet was specifically talking about every home in Flint having drinking water.

    That’s what he does. Bare minimum to get some amount of praise and irrational defenders for a promise no one made him make when he could do much much more without even denting his wealth.

    And if there’s one thing that does make corrupt/unwilling governments move, it’s money. See: the fed. He could have done much more and should have if he was going to clout chase off the back of a crisis like he did.

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Exactly so there is no reason to keep saying it's about big bad materialism either which u keep saying, there are different types of materialism and u saying it's just materialism as if they're all the same and inevitably lead to dumb shyt like this is bs lol

    do you want me to clarify that it's metaphysical materialism every time i take a s*** on it? you literally understood what i meant before you even quoted me

  • Apr 25, 2022

    Kanye won

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    cold mountain

    yeah, numbers are conflated with objectivity as opposed to an abstraction that helps understand the appearance of our reality

    please stick to politics

    I feel what you're saying. Numbers don't do a good enough job at explaining the meaning behind why things are the way they are but people pretty much worship science and statistics in our culture when really we still have a lot to learn some questions science can't explain

  • eye contact 📿
    Apr 25, 2022
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    cold mountain

    yeah, numbers are conflated with objectivity as opposed to an abstraction that helps understand the appearance of our reality

    please stick to politics

    To immediately connect the factual statistics surrounding crimes to the race of a person and not observe the material conditions created as a result of racial perception is not scientific materialism

  • Apr 25, 2022
    The Darkest Angel

    I feel what you're saying. Numbers don't do a good enough job at explaining the meaning behind why things are the way they are but people pretty much worship science and statistics in our culture when really we still have a lot to learn some questions science can't explain

    precisely, that's literally all i was getting at people think science killed God when in reality all science did was replace "God"

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    eye contact

    To immediately connect the factual statistics surrounding crimes to the race of a person and not observe the material conditions created as a result of racial perception is not scientific materialism

    you're correct. however, taking the statistics at absolute face value and believing them wholeheartedly without factoring in the external factors that led to that result, is in fact, scientific materialism

  • eye contact 📿
    Apr 25, 2022
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    The Darkest Angel

    I feel what you're saying. Numbers don't do a good enough job at explaining the meaning behind why things are the way they are but people pretty much worship science and statistics in our culture when really we still have a lot to learn some questions science can't explain

    Well yes materialism isn’t just quoting numbers. It’s about asking why those numbers exist and whether those things are inherent or the result of conditions

    And in this case @hanshan is missing that part. Numbers and conclusions from those numbers alone don’t mean s*** on their own and any materialist should understand that. There is a system in place that creates these conditions and it must be examined

  • Scratchin Mamba ⚒️
    Apr 25, 2022
    cold mountain

    do you want me to clarify that it's metaphysical materialism every time i take a s*** on it? you literally understood what i meant before you even quoted me

    Use physicalism then if u that lazy

    Saying materialism blankly is just false lol

  • Apr 25, 2022

    Twitter dying finally

  • Scratchin Mamba ⚒️
    Apr 25, 2022
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    eye contact

    Well yes materialism isn’t just quoting numbers. It’s about asking why those numbers exist and whether those things are inherent or the result of conditions

    And in this case @hanshan is missing that part. Numbers and conclusions from those numbers alone don’t mean s*** on their own and any materialist should understand that. There is a system in place that creates these conditions and it must be examined

    Noooooooo but the mind-body problem!!!!!

  • eye contact 📿
    Apr 25, 2022
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    cold mountain

    you're correct. however, taking the statistics at absolute face value and believing them wholeheartedly without factoring in the external factors that led to that result, is in fact, scientific materialism

    No it isn’t? Scientific materialism is all about establishing theories and laws about material processes that invariably create the same results. Numbers are where the initial observations must occur

  • eye contact 📿
    Apr 25, 2022
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    The problem is that Americans can’t critically think. They see “black man does crime” and think “black man bad because crime bad.” There’s no critical thinking and there’s no place where any sort of a***ysis occurs. It’s just kneejerk.

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    The problem is that Americans can’t critically think. They see “black man does crime” and think “black man bad because crime bad.” There’s no critical thinking and there’s no place where any sort of a***ysis occurs. It’s just kneejerk.

  • Flaphead 🎧
    Apr 25, 2022

    Thread moving into metaphysics now I’m with it

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    eye contact

    No it isn’t? Scientific materialism is all about establishing theories and laws about material processes that invariably create the same results. Numbers are where the initial observations must occur

    yes it is... if it can't be reduced and quantified by science it is seen as unfeasible to proceed with it, that's why Daniel Dennett attempts to dismiss consciousness as an illusion, it's literally sweeping it under the rug in an attempt to preserve the reductionist thesis

  • Apr 25, 2022
    Niggamortis

    Think he just deleted the OG post.

    he went quiet too

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    eye contact

    The problem is that Americans can’t critically think. They see “black man does crime” and think “black man bad because crime bad.” There’s no critical thinking and there’s no place where any sort of a***ysis occurs. It’s just kneejerk.

    Actually a bunch of Americans know this.

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    Flaphead

    This is what I mean though. Credit where it’s due for donating half a mil to the school district, but his original tweet was specifically talking about every home in Flint having drinking water.

    That’s what he does. Bare minimum to get some amount of praise and irrational defenders for a promise no one made him make when he could do much much more without even denting his wealth.

    And if there’s one thing that does make corrupt/unwilling governments move, it’s money. See: the fed. He could have done much more and should have if he was going to clout chase off the back of a crisis like he did.

    shoot for the moon aim for the stars or whatever tf pop smoke said

  • Apr 25, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Noooooooo but the mind-body problem!!!!!

    i mean yeah... lots of things do relate back to that e'vr since descartes dumbass pulled the dualism shtick out of the swamp

    (albeit the buddhists and the hindus were already getting through that s*** pre-historically, but that's another topic i guess)