the dude perpetuating the 13/52 is not a communist, you also told me previously that Marx rejects scientific (or, metaphysical) materialism
there is no reason for us to be arguing
Exactly so there is no reason to keep saying it's about big bad materialism either which u keep saying, there are different types of materialism and u saying it's just materialism as if they're all the same and inevitably lead to dumb shyt like this is bs lol
the irony isn't lost on me btw that i apparently have read 0 of anything about basic materialism, and then i have communists espousing stereotypical idealist strawmen that were literally clarified by the philosophers in their damn books
did that dude get banned?
mf went quiet after ppl called him out for using a disproven stat only used by racists
Think he just deleted the OG post.
They’ll be changes but Twitter will be business as usual
Yeah I think people are overbloating it
Can't fix an unwilling/corrupt government even with money. I know the kids are happy to be drinking clean water at schools
https://twitter.com/FlintSchools/status/1047991717507584001https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-flint-michigan-water-b2011633.html
This is what I mean though. Credit where it’s due for donating half a mil to the school district, but his original tweet was specifically talking about every home in Flint having drinking water.
That’s what he does. Bare minimum to get some amount of praise and irrational defenders for a promise no one made him make when he could do much much more without even denting his wealth.
And if there’s one thing that does make corrupt/unwilling governments move, it’s money. See: the fed. He could have done much more and should have if he was going to clout chase off the back of a crisis like he did.
Exactly so there is no reason to keep saying it's about big bad materialism either which u keep saying, there are different types of materialism and u saying it's just materialism as if they're all the same and inevitably lead to dumb shyt like this is bs lol
do you want me to clarify that it's metaphysical materialism every time i take a s*** on it?
you literally understood what i meant before you even quoted me
yeah, numbers are conflated with objectivity as opposed to an abstraction that helps understand the appearance of our reality
please stick to politics
I feel what you're saying. Numbers don't do a good enough job at explaining the meaning behind why things are the way they are but people pretty much worship science and statistics in our culture when really we still have a lot to learn some questions science can't explain
yeah, numbers are conflated with objectivity as opposed to an abstraction that helps understand the appearance of our reality
please stick to politics
To immediately connect the factual statistics surrounding crimes to the race of a person and not observe the material conditions created as a result of racial perception is not scientific materialism
I feel what you're saying. Numbers don't do a good enough job at explaining the meaning behind why things are the way they are but people pretty much worship science and statistics in our culture when really we still have a lot to learn some questions science can't explain
precisely, that's literally all i was getting at
people think science killed God when in reality all science did was replace "God"
To immediately connect the factual statistics surrounding crimes to the race of a person and not observe the material conditions created as a result of racial perception is not scientific materialism
you're correct. however, taking the statistics at absolute face value and believing them wholeheartedly without factoring in the external factors that led to that result, is in fact, scientific materialism
I feel what you're saying. Numbers don't do a good enough job at explaining the meaning behind why things are the way they are but people pretty much worship science and statistics in our culture when really we still have a lot to learn some questions science can't explain
Well yes materialism isn’t just quoting numbers. It’s about asking why those numbers exist and whether those things are inherent or the result of conditions
And in this case @hanshan is missing that part. Numbers and conclusions from those numbers alone don’t mean s*** on their own and any materialist should understand that. There is a system in place that creates these conditions and it must be examined
do you want me to clarify that it's metaphysical materialism every time i take a s*** on it?
you literally understood what i meant before you even quoted me
Use physicalism then if u that lazy
Saying materialism blankly is just false lol
Well yes materialism isn’t just quoting numbers. It’s about asking why those numbers exist and whether those things are inherent or the result of conditions
And in this case @hanshan is missing that part. Numbers and conclusions from those numbers alone don’t mean s*** on their own and any materialist should understand that. There is a system in place that creates these conditions and it must be examined
Noooooooo but the mind-body problem!!!!!
you're correct. however, taking the statistics at absolute face value and believing them wholeheartedly without factoring in the external factors that led to that result, is in fact, scientific materialism
No it isn’t? Scientific materialism is all about establishing theories and laws about material processes that invariably create the same results. Numbers are where the initial observations must occur
The problem is that Americans can’t critically think. They see “black man does crime” and think “black man bad because crime bad.” There’s no critical thinking and there’s no place where any sort of a***ysis occurs. It’s just kneejerk.
The problem is that Americans can’t critically think. They see “black man does crime” and think “black man bad because crime bad.” There’s no critical thinking and there’s no place where any sort of a***ysis occurs. It’s just kneejerk.
Thread moving into metaphysics now
I’m with it
No it isn’t? Scientific materialism is all about establishing theories and laws about material processes that invariably create the same results. Numbers are where the initial observations must occur
yes it is... if it can't be reduced and quantified by science it is seen as unfeasible to proceed with it, that's why Daniel Dennett attempts to dismiss consciousness as an illusion, it's literally sweeping it under the rug in an attempt to preserve the reductionist thesis
The problem is that Americans can’t critically think. They see “black man does crime” and think “black man bad because crime bad.” There’s no critical thinking and there’s no place where any sort of a***ysis occurs. It’s just kneejerk.
Actually a bunch of Americans know this.
This is what I mean though. Credit where it’s due for donating half a mil to the school district, but his original tweet was specifically talking about every home in Flint having drinking water.
That’s what he does. Bare minimum to get some amount of praise and irrational defenders for a promise no one made him make when he could do much much more without even denting his wealth.
And if there’s one thing that does make corrupt/unwilling governments move, it’s money. See: the fed. He could have done much more and should have if he was going to clout chase off the back of a crisis like he did.
shoot for the moon aim for the stars or whatever tf pop smoke said
Noooooooo but the mind-body problem!!!!!
i mean yeah... lots of things do relate back to that e'vr since descartes dumbass pulled the dualism shtick out of the swamp
(albeit the buddhists and the hindus were already getting through that s*** pre-historically, but that's another topic i guess)