im lvl 130 with over 100 hours

just killed Malenia, did 100% of sidequests possible

missing a Leg Armament tho
and i want all the ending achievements

sooooo u know imma run that NG+

Why not? What even classifies as a legacy dungeon then? It houses one of the main event bosses, is large enough (Volcano Manor & Raya Lucaria Academy weren’t much bigger)

no man they are way bigger

Cmon, Redmane Castle felt so much bigger than f***ing Castle Sol

The atmosphere is upped to a million, it has the giant catapult things shooting at you when you approach the entry, one of the biggest boss events

And then u have Castle Sol, which is just a lil castle with one of the worst bosses in the game by far and no real significance other than you finding half of the medaillon there for an optional area

FlyHiii moving like he Zoro

idk if u knew this yet, but u can skip Redmane Castle entirely tho and go right to Radahn fight

granted ull wanna come back for the Leg u get from the dual boss fight but u can do that from a grace anyways

the only Legacy u can do that for is Volcano which would require u doing Leyndell first anyways lmao

Raya Lucaria took me a while to get through but only bc i was dumb as s*** it didn’t actually feel that big once i knew where to go. Same with Volcano Manor. Found everything pretty quickly and you can make it to Rykard sooo fast

I’m convinced yall just did the Blaidd & Ranni quest before so yall got the empty Redmane with most of the doors locked version... i mean i did too at first but there’s more to it once the castle is populated again

Stormveil is small if u know where to go

once ur on top u climb across the rooftops all the way to Godrick grace point pre much

same with Volcano if u know where to go

So being able to skip the area makes it not a legacy dungeon or wym? Bc by that logic let’s give Haligtree and Volcano Manor the same treatment then yes i hear you, you can actually fight the boss there while skipping Redmane so that would make it different but that’s solely for lore/atmospheric reasons so yeah

I consider it to be a legacy dungeon until From says otherwise

No I did both versions man. Also you can get to Godrick too in under a minute and Stormveil is huge thats no argument. Are you sure you have seen everything of these areas?

Also redmane reuses so many textures and assets while all the other legacy dungeons are entirely unique

Wait why yall both talking about Stormveil i was comparing the size to raya lucaria and volcano manor huh

Yeah im sure ive seen everything lol

Redmane Castle is the same size as Castle Morne, Castle Sol and The Shaded Castle the only difference is one has a lore/story boss at the end

So then, how do we get a concrete description of what does count as a legacy dungeon and what doesn’t

The grande feel and lore implications >>>> sheer size though

Like you said yourself its easy to just run straight to the boss anyway once you know the way in the other legacy dungeons

Castle Sol felt so much smaller than Redmane in every way i dont really care even if they were 1:1 in actual size tbh

Man Im not arguing this Raya Lucaria and Vulcano Manor are way bigger. It is what it is

ALSO RADAHN HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE MOST OVERHATED FROM BOSSES ALREADY

CRYBABIES WERE SO QUICK TO CALL HIM BS, TRASH ETC

BEAT THE MF PRE NERF AND IM GLAD I WAS ALWAYS CHAMPIONING HIM FROM THE GET GO

AT LEAST TOP 3 BOSSES OVERALL BUT MIGHT EVEN BE 1 WITH A FEW MORE TO GO

6 legacy dungeons have 2 achievement bosses

Stormveil = Margit + Godrick
Raya Lucaria = Red Wolf + Rennala
Volcano = Godskin Noble + Rykard
Leyndell = Godfrey + Morgott
Farum Azula = Godskin Duo + Maliketh
Haligtree = Loretta + Malenia

Like fr @FlyHiii just go to the wiki pages and compare how long the written walkthroughs are. I dont know how else I can help you rn

Well it depends on how difficult a certain area is anyway bc i got through both of those with ease and fairly quick without missing secret paths etc

U gotta admit though comparing Redmane to Castle Sol is just straight up disrespect weak ass lil fort with a super trash boss

Redmane just feels epic as s*** cmonnn yall

this

Yeah but its comparable to the eternal cities and Castle Morne who also arent legacy dungeons

The earliest somber one i got iirc was one in the mountaintops, its in one of the big skull faces with the giant crows around it

Another easy somber is one from finishing Latenna (i think thats her name) quest, the wolf bow lady that leads to haligtree.

I found another in Farum, n i think i found the final 4th in Haligtree.

I also have a s***ton of reg max stones n iirc i have an extra somber max stone too, i got these all without looking them up too.

I told yall i explore a lot thats why i have so many f***ing hours theres so much to every area

there's literally 1 point of grace

Fair enough i still will stand by how epic that place feels though not a fully realized legacy dungeon i’d still put it above a place like Castle Sol in a heartbeat

The music of Redmane + Radahn festival are just really one of my fondest memories of ER so far. Sooooo atmospheric

Caria Manor and Shaded Castle also comparable to Redmane castle