Skinn Foley

2y

Whether or not they appeal to white listeners doesn't matter much to me, and it's not my place to judge "how black" their music is. Such a judgment is probably racist in general but is definitely racist coming from someone who isn't black, such as myself.

But dude attracts people who don't like hip hop generally but really like his specific brand of hip hop. That doesn't really happen with Travis, a lot of his fanbase at least tries to explore the wider contemporary hip hop scene. Carti's core basically only listen to rage music and view every other type of hip hop, even cutting edge stuff, as being "washed" because it isn't rage music lol. It's super corny and gives off a bad vibe.

Nightcrawlers

2y

He appeals largely to chronically online people, while Travis is pretty much a mainstream artist and anyone who listens to him probably also listens to Drake, Cole, Kendrick, Tyler, Kanye etc

Skinn Foley

2y

It's weird too because a lot of people's fascination with Carti is that he's "elevating" trap music into being "real art" or "experimental", which is kind of a slap in the face to all the great trap artists that came before him who weren't tryna be "punk" or "experimental"

Like Gucci Mane is unironically a way better artist than Carti, as is Jeezy in his prime

Valentine

2y

Woppenheimer

hellhathnofurries

2y

Make a carti/kendrick comparison thread bro

Dino

2y

U right about Rodeo but Utopia not better than any Carti album

Skinn Foley

2y

Bro I'll spin Chicken Talk before any Carti project idgaf

Skinn Foley

2y

It's weird too because a lot of people's fascination with Carti is that he's "elevating" trap music into being "real art" or "experimental", which is kind of a slap in the face to all the great trap artists that came before him who weren't tryna be "punk" or "experimental"

Like Gucci Mane is unironically a way better artist than Carti, as is Jeezy in his prime

Valentine

2y

I don’t think Gucci gets his respect like Future, Thug, Carti enough nigga was on some futuristic trap s*** before niggas even got on that wave. He put them all on too

DJEA92

2y

Lmao no

Dino

2y

Self Titled, Die Lit and WLR> Utopia

Bobby_96

2y

Sales wise, no rapper is going to top Drake in this decade. That's a given.

But, if we're talking who's influencing the culture the most from inside, Drake really isn't in that conversation anymore.

There's been way more Keef, Wayne, Carti, Cudi, and Thugger influence on 2020's rap than Drake. Jack Harlow's really the only rapper who draws direct influence style wise from Drake.

So, in a nutshell, the rage/hyperpop rappers, street/Drill rappers, Emo rappers, female rappers, and Trap rappers already run the culture. They just don't have bigger sales than Drake for the most part due to Drake having more crossover appeal.

Drake will still put up bigger numbers than most of the new school even if his music declines simply because he has the most crossover appeal of any rapper besides maybe Eminem. And you can't beat that.

But the shift you're referring to has already happened. It's just that Carti and his clones will never have the mass appeal or sales of Drake.

AlfieNoah

2y

· edited

There’s a shift happening and we can all feel it. Even I tried to ignore that opium s*** the at first at the beginning of the decade but this s*** clear as f***. carti is about to take the top spot. This is like some never before seen s***. Rap is so fun again. Even his peers man have crowned this nigga. But In regards to drake he knows as well which is why his next project will be his best and a graceful exit from the game he ran for 15 years.

Nightcrawlers

2y

His s*** isn't that great tbh Utopia could easily stack up to those even if alot of them are Kanye songs

Dino

2y

Maybe self titled but the other two are way better. Utopia is Travis worst album to me tho

Dino

2y

Maybe self titled but the other two are way better. Utopia is Travis worst album to me tho

Nightcrawlers

2y

Meltdown, Fein, I Know, Delresto, Modern Jam, Telekinesis, My Eyes?

You could say it was carried by features but he didn't deliver a weak album at all

sfsorrow

2y

Utopia is for sure better than Birds at the minimum

yungking

2y

Carti is never taking the top spot, let alone from Drake

Drake still has universal appeal and knows how to make songs for everybody

Carti’s image and aesthetic is too abstract for the average person to gravitate to it

browser

2y

Why are y’all obsessed with crowning a non rapper as the next king of the rap game

You’re almost 30