Jody

5y

I think your over estimating how many people voted for biden off that issue
If you can give me some numbers id believe you

VA7a

5y

as a southern black man who volunteered for bernie. The lady who hosted the phone back was old and black. Its more like a lot of old black people loved obama and the IDEA of Kamala so they voted for Biden.

VA7a

5y

as a southern black man who volunteered for bernie. The lady who hosted the phone back was old and black. Its more like a lot of old black people loved obama and the IDEA of Kamala so they voted for Biden.

Jody

5y

My granny worked at GM her entire life and yeah she was union
I even showed her bernie marching with MLk but she just wasnt with it
I dont understand it

spongebob

5y

I think political marketing machines did a number on the older generations, I think if they were met with things like

-the cost of rent going up with the minimum wage staying the same

-the fact that minimum wage jobs aren't just worked by teenagers in high school anymore or some s***, but plenty of adults where that's all they could get, everybody seems to have a college degree now and can't even get a living wage job

NothingIs

5y

it’s an oligarchy/aristocracy

a candidate can’t run a campaign & get enough votes to win without spending billions of dollars

it’s not a democracy

Jody

5y

Facts. I have hope that this is the generation that can make the changes needed we just need a figurehead like AOC to rally around and get on office

spongebob

5y

i like her and realistically the US isn't going to put someone more progressive than her in office

I don't even think she would get elected until we get rid of this red scare 3.0 bullshit going on and talk about labor rights, healthcare rights all these things are human life and essential to quality of life, that should be at the forefront like every single person gotta get on this wave

that's what i appreciate about bernie is he breaks it down for everyone, simply,

sometimes it doesn't seem so rhetorically pleasing because it's repetitive but at least he's not trying to play all sides and sticking to what he believes in, the reason is cause he got it right

Enpax

5y

Is there any country that is a democracy?

If the need to appeal to some influential group is the only way to have your message be spread out, is it even possible for “true” democracy to exist outside the local level

spongebob

5y

There's calculated attempts in congress to make voting harder for people who might be disadvantaged by not being able to get off of work or get transportation to the polls, so thats one thing that puts a strain on what should be democracy,

then, we have a two party system that doesn't allow for progressive ideas and picks the middle of the road everytime, they're not as different as their members would like to believe,

Also the hypocrisy behind claiming to be a democracy while invading other countries or staging coups in places that may not even be violent or in need of military assistance in that way,

U can't claim to be pro-self-determination and democracy and then as soon as a government wants to approach something like socialism or otherwise you violently attack them so it doesn't even get a chance to evolve and grow

spongebob

5y

Any country with easier access to voting for every citizen, more representative choices and better conditions for all of the people is more democratic by comparison imo

So I mean fill in the blank.

I'm not saying any of those countries are an end-goal but they're doing better than U.S. on a myriad of levels.

And even though I'm not the person u quoted I'd say no to your last question, and that's one of the big issues is people shouldn't have to appeal to an oligarchic government to help them, and it really feels like thats what happens often

Additionally, political systems are pretty abstract and are thought to preside over populations of millions or billions of people so "democracy" alone shouldn't be all encompassing but rather a descriptive word to explain when people have a say in whats going on, at it's core.

A lot of s*** people called democracy in the past was just to cloak imperialism and power over other states in the world

i am sasuke

5y

it does change when considering that the courts themselves as well as voting districts are used to suppress votes from specific demographics of voters that might not vote conservative

voting is not as simple as "if you just vote itll count"
while technically true, theres also more complexity to the issue that dictates how much your vote counts (and maybe even IF itll count, as seen with the conservative push for voters to have identification)

NothingIs

5y

it’s an oligarchy/aristocracy

a candidate can’t run a campaign & get enough votes to win without spending billions of dollars

it’s not a democracy

Synopsis

5y

whats there to explain lol? in capitalist society, the rich and the policy have democracy, the rest of us just go along at their whims

Synopsis

5y

public option, reforming gun laws, reforming marijuana laws, reforming the tax code (already reneged on in order to compromise with republicans lmao) etc., etc.,

none of them are happening.

americana

5y

i believe in it, and believing in it means accepting that this country is nowhere near the potential it can reach in properly representing its citizens

Jody

5y

Needs soms euros input

ziggy

5y

Yes I do.

Netherlands.

This year we have gotten the most political parties ever. We currently got 19 different political parties in our parliament.

I love that because it means every specific group is getting a voice. Even thought the voice can be very small just by being there they are making a noticable difference already. So many people here got someone they genuinely like and sometimes even love in the parliament.

So yes, with the right government democracy exists. I do believe some countries are “democracies” but not in the right way, like a lot have said the USA. I see so many people vote every election for the “lesser of two evils”, because they got no other choice. That’s not a great democracy. Not sure if it can be labeled as a democracy at all.

ziggy

5y

Yes I do.

Netherlands.

This year we have gotten the most political parties ever. We currently got 19 different political parties in our parliament.

I love that because it means every specific group is getting a voice. Even thought the voice can be very small just by being there they are making a noticable difference already. So many people here got someone they genuinely like and sometimes even love in the parliament.

So yes, with the right government democracy exists. I do believe some countries are “democracies” but not in the right way, like a lot have said the USA. I see so many people vote every election for the “lesser of two evils”, because they got no other choice. That’s not a great democracy. Not sure if it can be labeled as a democracy at all.

CLB Fractions

5y

we would have to change how we run and how we vote for our entire legislative and executive branch.

its just not feasible.

Jody

5y

Thats awesome
I would love to have more parties in this country