TheFader

11mo

That’s what we all think, but I feel like this account would’ve already hinted at it being Reeves-verse if that was the case, instead he’s saying stuff like this

I understand that not every single DCU film has to be interconnected, but if one is SO singular and featuring brand new original characters and no characters from DC Comics besides the lead, why not just make it an Elseworlds story?

Oblivion X

11mo

but if one is SO singular and featuring brand new original characters and no characters from DC Comics besides the lead, why not just make it an Elseworlds story?

Because the characters will still be able to show up in other movies/series. It just doesnt need to lead into another movie. It makes the universe feel lived in and allows for more creative storytelling endeavors thats not related to a "big bad"

TheFader

11mo

That can still happen without random side characters getting their own films though, especially one that’s 99% tied to one hero

Oblivion X

11mo

But why not tho ? Especially if the script is good and ready to go

TheFader

11mo

Not every random side character needs their own film or project, that’s where Marvel messed up post-Endgame. It’s different if Clayface was tying into or preceding The Brave and the Bold, but it seems like it’s not

Oblivion X

11mo

Nah marvel messed up by making projects about random side characters that just weren't good AND a lot of them tied into the overall narrative of the arc.

The DCU is a shared universe thats not tied by a specific storyline so these characters just exist inside of it, similar to Star wars.

The phase Gods and Monster is pretty much just world building and repairing the DC Brand with any good project thats ready to go, it doesn't need any real strict structure till a narrative arc is about to start.

The script and pitch for clay face was apparently great and it was completely ready to go and the budget is pretty low, so why not just make it ? Rather than putting it on the backburner for a more notable character who doesnt have a script ready

Oblivion X

11mo

Nah marvel messed up by making projects about random side characters that just weren't good AND a lot of them tied into the overall narrative of the arc.

The DCU is a shared universe thats not tied by a specific storyline so these characters just exist inside of it, similar to Star wars.

The phase Gods and Monster is pretty much just world building and repairing the DC Brand with any good project thats ready to go, it doesn't need any real strict structure till a narrative arc is about to start.

The script and pitch for clay face was apparently great and it was completely ready to go and the budget is pretty low, so why not just make it ? Rather than putting it on the backburner for a more notable character who doesnt have a script ready

YANDHI

11mo

Gunn just blabbers a lot of things tho. I don't particularly take his prior tweets on that seriously cus he just says what he has to in the moment. All of the other projects have clear character or story overlaps. This is what he's saying now. We're already at MCU level overlap where they're gonna point us to shows for builds:

I agree Clayface was prob a great pitch they got and wanted to make, but its definitely the odd man out of the approach they're actually acting on vs saying

TheFader

11mo

I’m not denying the script may have been great, I’m saying it makes no sense to make one movie with seemingly no in-universe connections a DCU film and then another film with also no in-universe connections is an Elseworlds story. Saying “well the character can appear in later DCU films” isn’t really an argument because nowadays any character can appear in anything

Oblivion X

11mo

How is that not an argument ?

Dcu movie characters will fit into the overall DCU world where characters and elements can reappear in other dcu films. It's just like a comic universe. They're not isolated stories, they can just standalone.

And elseworld character cant appear in other DCU films because their stories and worlds will contradict the overall universe of the DCU. These are isolated stories with absolutely 0 in universe connections

For example an injustice superman from an Injustice Elseworld movie cant just reappear in the DCU.

Oblivion X

11mo

For this particular thing, he's been pretty consistent on through pretty much all his interviews

These are interconnected stories but people are always going to be saying, 'Who's the big bad?' Are there big bads for connected films? Yes. But is this all about, 'Hey, I'm telling this one story about this big bad'? No," Gunn told Josh Horowitz. "This is about a connected universe. We're world-building. We're not story-building.""We're not writing one story that has a beginning, middle, and end," the filmmaker continued. "We're creating a universe where people in which can go and join in and experience it. It is much more like Star Wars."

Theres gonna be character overlap and story overlap, but it's not gonna be an overall narrative where every project is tied in like Thanos or Kang was gonna be. Therefore a character movie like Clayface or SGT Rock can fit in just fine. It's even better they do this as early as the 3rd movie to establish that this is the direction they're going with for this universe

Oblivion X

11mo

For this particular thing, he's been pretty consistent on through pretty much all his interviews

These are interconnected stories but people are always going to be saying, 'Who's the big bad?' Are there big bads for connected films? Yes. But is this all about, 'Hey, I'm telling this one story about this big bad'? No," Gunn told Josh Horowitz. "This is about a connected universe. We're world-building. We're not story-building.""We're not writing one story that has a beginning, middle, and end," the filmmaker continued. "We're creating a universe where people in which can go and join in and experience it. It is much more like Star Wars."

Theres gonna be character overlap and story overlap, but it's not gonna be an overall narrative where every project is tied in like Thanos or Kang was gonna be. Therefore a character movie like Clayface or SGT Rock can fit in just fine. It's even better they do this as early as the 3rd movie to establish that this is the direction they're going with for this universe

YANDHI

11mo

Also not convinced Elseworlds is even a thing.

The last 3 years its just been a code name Gunn uses for "Reeves projects that aren't necessarily in my universe." We had more elseworlds ideas and variety in development before Gunn was hired than we do now. It also isn't an official label or logo.

Sonyomom

11mo

I guess Constantine 2 also counts, but there doesn’t seem to be any movement on that so it really does feel like it’s really only a term for the Batverse + random ass kids shows lol

YANDHI

11mo

Is this actually anything different tho? I don't think so. Its not like MCU came out the gate focused on Thanos. There was dots to build origin stories, connect characters and flesh out an Avengers team over 5 years and only then was Thanos lightly teased and slowly built for next 5 years. We were very deep and several universe events into the storytelling before they ever faced their big bad. This feels similar to the 10 year idea he always explains

His explanation feels more of like a response to Snyder DCEU era (which was an attempt to have a beginning, middle and definitive end with big bad introduced quickly) and Hamada era DCEU (which was just directionless).

I agree with the last sentence tho but only if it holds up and we do indeed get random character films moving forward. I wouldn't be shocked if that isn't the case tho cus Gunn never developed this film it was just a Reeves production that moved to include him and Safran.

I still find the Star Wars comparison bizarre. It's arguably not even a good example of a shared universe imo

TheFader

11mo

Lmao I understand the difference between DCU and Elseworlds

What I’m saying is, based on that initial plot and character description, it sounds like Clayface will be a completely isolated story. What reasoning is there for it to be DCU other than “well he can appear in other things later on”

TheFader

11mo

I promise you they are not doing an event film without a big bad at least hinted at during the journey

Oblivion X

11mo

I dont really understand ur point here . That reasoning is all there needs to be

Oblivion X

11mo

Ur not getting what im saying. A big bad where all the films released in a phase is tied together in a sequence is not what dcu is doing

YANDHI

11mo

Is this actually anything different tho? I don't think so. Its not like MCU came out the gate focused on Thanos. There was dots to build origin stories, connect characters and flesh out an Avengers team over 5 years and only then was Thanos lightly teased and slowly built for next 5 years. We were very deep and several universe events into the storytelling before they ever faced their big bad. This feels similar to the 10 year idea he always explains

His explanation feels more of like a response to Snyder DCEU era (which was an attempt to have a beginning, middle and definitive end with big bad introduced quickly) and Hamada era DCEU (which was just directionless).

I agree with the last sentence tho but only if it holds up and we do indeed get random character films moving forward. I wouldn't be shocked if that isn't the case tho cus Gunn never developed this film it was just a Reeves production that moved to include him and Safran.

I still find the Star Wars comparison bizarre. It's arguably not even a good example of a shared universe imo

Oblivion X

11mo

I think its very different because a movie like clayface wouldn't get made in the mcu once they finalized the idea of having Thanos as a big bad

I mean thats true, the mcu didnt come out the gate doing that but I dont think there's any reason to believe that dcu isn't going to do what gunn said they will in terms of their direction