I already said if you choose to do that, then that’s your choice, but to hold the rest of the world to that same standard is not realistic. Most of the creatives who have made the world’s best art are s***ty human beings. That’s just a fact

just to be clear, are you upset with me because i haven’t denounced Ferg & Sean for being nazis in a fake scenario you just made up?

I mean, your stance is valid.

But if you're not going to support an artist based off your moral beliefs, you might as well go 10 toes & not listen to his music as well.

there is no room for empathy when their words and actions influence millions of people

We can all agree Ye's been an absolute f*** tard ever since the red hat back in 2018, but we'll always stay bumping his classics.

It's inevitable

I get the disconnect. You guys are conflating stan culture and artist worship with enjoying someone’s art or music.

People always talk in extremes on here.

There are plenty of artists, introspective or not, who were clearly scumbags and still warrant praise for their artistic contributions.

This idea that positively critiquing someone’s work being an endorsement of them as an overall individual is braindead.

You guys just need to reframe the amount of influence you expect figures to have over you. Have a healthy relationship with art. Art isn’t your identity.

you must not even be looking for art made by people who aren’t s***ty if you truly believe this

i understand this take though if all the art you interact with was shown to you via some algorithm

no i think you’re just a ragebaiter and you use moral points as your crutch hence why you’ll do this hoopla for one artist then if you do a click on your profile you’ll instantly see a 2026 lil uzi appreciation thread

disagree

half agree

his dumbassery has ruined his classics to an extent as well. i find myself skipping a lot of songs i never thought i would’ve before.

listening to post jail r kelly is weird bc he got songs straight up saying like free me and what i did wasn’t even that bad im innocent, and u cant argue its for shock value or an artistic choice or that he’s just being dumb, bc he’s fully deadass.

but kanye s*** is like… do u rly think this dude earnestly has issues with jewish ppl as a whole or do u think he was mainly mad abt a group of ultra rich ppl messing w his life and art behind the scenes, and just went abt it in the least sensitive, most bombastic, and most controversial way for the sake of controversy? I mean his whole image has been “this guy is crazy and says crazy s***” from the jump. Not to mention post-Yeezus, u can argue that he made saying offensive crude and crazy s*** part of his art style.

I look at it like if R Kelly was an actual school shooter, then modern Kanye is a bad comedian who makes a lot of tasteless school shooter jokes. hope u can see im not rly tryna give ye props here, the bad comedian tier is still lame as s***, but its different from some r kelly s***

Kanye West gave Nick Fuentes access to POTUS but it’s okay because he’s just a wittle baby who was going thru a manic episode 🥺🥺🥺

you can condemn something and hold empathy

He is a b****** and a horrible person with sickening thoughts

I would pay my entire lifesavings to see him live again

“you don’t really hate nazis, you're just faking it for likes! it’s so obvious, because you made a thread about lil uzi vert!”

do you truly understand just how stupid you sound?

who gives a f*** about the jewish stuff, kanye hates black people.

or did you think Hitler had a very inclusive policy when it came to POC during WW2?

fair point, and i agree w where ur coming from, but the reality of capitalist life is that we dont produce our own s*** much anymore. people dont make their own clothes, cook their own food, build their own s***, etc. identity used to be formed by making ur own s*** and doing ur own s***. now its formed by buying other ppls s*** and paying for “experiences” someone else planned out for u. in other words, these days identity is formed by what we consume and the art we consume. I think that’s why this weird idea of “if you like the art, ur endorsing everything else abt the artist” is so persistent.

you’re trying to make me sound stupid with your hysteria but no

the point is you’re not morally consistent with anything you preach and you know that so stop trying to make yourself look good and accept your destiny as a ragebaiter

Everyone goes to R Kelly as an example bc it’s easy.

lol.

What about Marvin Gaye? You guys gonna sit back and judge me for loving his music? F*** outta here.

I promise you if you listed your 30 favorite albums of all-time right now, at least 10 of them were made by people who have made questionable choices at some point in their lives

“you’re not morally consistent! you can’t say you hate nazis then listen to lil uzi vert, who has notably never publicly endorsed hitler!”

you’re grasping at straws man. just say you’re cool with people having nazi arcs as long as they apologize to a random rabbi and go about your day.

oh 100%, i’m no saint

i definitely wouldn’t call nazism a “questionable choice” though, what is there to question about it?

it’s not about nazism for you, you don’t give a s***, you were doing the same gimmick before he was publicly doing the nazi s***. it’s just about ragebait and dopamine for you.

and no I’m not cool with any of it, would you rather he never apologized and kept endorsing nazism until his day of death? surely taking accountability mattes

do you think he started the nazi stuff out of nowhere? he was openly MAGA for years before then.

stop making yourself look stupid