BlackOlympian

5y

There’s this book about Socialism-Libertarianism I need to check out though.

I’m a libertarian in the sense of, smaller government, leave me the f*** alone, Freedom & Justice for all and don’t tell me what the f*** to do lol 😂

BlackOlympian

5y

Ohhh myyyy gOd.. ME TOO!

Nort

5y

i’m a libertarian socialist myself! may I get the name of the book?

Womanpuncher69

5y

I mean libraries are funded through taxes do u really ?

BlackOlympian

5y

“Libertarian Socialism: Politics in Black & Red” is the book.

I can’t call myself a socialist, in good faith. I know for a fact I’m a libertarian but I don’t know where I stand exactly.

Nort

5y

ty bro

and i hear ya. my contention with american libertarian’s is they don’t make a distinction between a good freedom & a bad freedom.

an extreme example: allowing murder is a bad freedom because it infringes on the freedom of another.

just wanna get your thoughts on this

BlackOlympian

5y

Freedom is Freedom.

Someone trying to Physically & Mentally harm you does infringe on one’s right to life and happiness. You also have the Freedom to defend yourself how you see fit..

Now, some people might get on me for this but we do live in a “Society” we’re murdeing people is one of the biggest faults we humans can do.

I truly think they’re are things we can do to prevent these situations but I’m not the most versed on it.

Altercations happen, accidents happen, but straight murder.. I personally hate state funded “Capital Punishment” Because it never sat right with me..

Nort

5y

“Someone trying to Physically & Mentally harm you does infringe on one’s right to life and happiness. You also have the Freedom to defend yourself how you see fit..“

don’t you think with this line of thinking you’d be able to justify anything? i don’t think murder happens because it’s a glitch in human behavior. i believe its more-so the material conditions that facilitate undesirable behavior. this is why it’s necessary to create laws as a measure to commend & punish people for acts we as a society have deemed immoral.

i’m all for people to have autonomy and live life however way they please, as long as it doesn’t infringe on the freedom’s of others. i would find that to be self-defeating and contradictory to my libertarian principles.

BlackOlympian

5y

That’s is the great conversation.

We put laws in place like you said, but people are still going to kill when they see fit. I think about myself during these conversations, if I really wanted to.. I could probably commit the most heinous murder spree in modern times..

I’m not trying to go off subject here but I do understand what your saying, I just don’t have the answers.

I have to go in depth during one of my more stoic nights.

Nort

5y

yes, but don’t you think it’d be better for society to have the anti-murder laws in place? certainly you recognize there would be more murder if we were to abolish those laws.

BlackOlympian

5y

Oh for sure!

Some laws should actually be mandated instead of some of this goofy s*** they pushing on us.

Nort

5y

lesgoooo

and may i ask what goofy s*** in particular?

BlackOlympian

5y

You trying to get me banned

Nort

5y

depends on what you’re referring to. libertarian was once a term used to define socialists. here in america, it’s a conservative that wants to smoke weed (jokes).

Saint Aquinas

5y

I see a lot of people on ktt2 say this and I still don't get why lol

And for the record, the term libertarian wasn't first used by socialists. It derives from the Old Right.

Nort

5y

Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,6 especially social anarchists,7 but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.8 - wikipedia

Saint Aquinas

5y

the first use of the word comes from someone describing whigs

gabapentin

5y

yea bc the whigs were the leftists of their day

Saint Aquinas

5y

???? the whigs in britain? Bro what?

gabapentin

5y

you're talking the whigs as in the party that opposed the tories? yes

Saint Aquinas

5y

"leftist"

Classical liberals are not leftists fam

gabapentin

5y

i didn't say they were "leftists" as in "marx-influenced socialists," i said they were the "leftists of their day", as in "they agitated to reduce the control exerted by the entrenched power structure, i.e the monarchy and the ancien regime in british politics"

classical liberals were the left-wing of that era's political matrix and the tories were the right-wing

of course they ended up right-wingers in today's political matrix because once the conservative-monarchical regime was destroyed across europe and there was a vacuum to fill, some savvy left-wingers gradually realized power (which they had previously opposed as liberty-lovers) could actually be useful for their purposes and gravitated towards marxism/socialism

gabapentin

5y

i didn't say they were "leftists" as in "marx-influenced socialists," i said they were the "leftists of their day", as in "they agitated to reduce the control exerted by the entrenched power structure, i.e the monarchy and the ancien regime in british politics"

classical liberals were the left-wing of that era's political matrix and the tories were the right-wing

of course they ended up right-wingers in today's political matrix because once the conservative-monarchical regime was destroyed across europe and there was a vacuum to fill, some savvy left-wingers gradually realized power (which they had previously opposed as liberty-lovers) could actually be useful for their purposes and gravitated towards marxism/socialism