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  • Oct 1, 2021
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    RenBop

    You stated a 3% difference though , not at 35% one

    Hence why I said "bit more" frontloaded.

    It's still dropping faster, no? The point is it actually shouldn't even be dropping similar at all.

    One was a mixtape, the other is a studio album. At this point the era gonna be done by the Holidays if they don't actually put no effort into anything else.

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    Oct 1, 2021
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    Any chance Billboard numbers have Drake over YB?

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    iHype

    Hence why I said "bit more" frontloaded.

    It's still dropping faster, no? The point is it actually shouldn't even be dropping similar at all.

    One was a mixtape, the other is a studio album. At this point the era gonna be done by the Holidays if they don't actually put no effort into anything else.

    A 3% decrease is negligible for an album that has also been selling double the other project. This is a giant reach fam .

    Basic business showcases that a minor decrease in sales percentage compared to another product is expected if it is selling way more than that product anyways . Stop

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    Niggas crying about 3% and purposely leaving out other factors as a mechanism to maintain disappointment. Touch grass

  • Oct 1, 2021
    Vietbrah

    Any chance Billboard numbers have Drake over YB?

    It’s very possible

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    Escobar

    If Drake started doing gimmicks like the other rappers we would never hear the end of it lmao

    if that man ever dropped a deluxe mid-week to beat whoever, full blown think pieces and rap blog narrative shaping posts coming immediately lol. And if he bundled at the height of bundles it wouldve been asterisks by every release

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    RenBop

    A 3% decrease is negligible for an album that has also been selling double the other project. This is a giant reach fam .

    Basic business showcases that a minor decrease in sales percentage compared to another product is expected if it is selling way more than that product anyways . Stop

    "Basic business showcases that a minor decrease in sales compared to another product is expected if it is selling way more than that product anyways ."

    Doesn't apply to this

    Scorpion for example, decreased 54% second week.
    CLB decreased 61% second week.

    Scorpion also did more first week to begin with, so what is your logic for why CLB decreased harder?

    Something doing more does not automatically indicate it will decrease harder in percentage. That just comes down to the album resonating and if it has hits carrying it in further weeks.

  • Oct 1, 2021
    Vietbrah

    Any chance Billboard numbers have Drake over YB?

    It's likely considering HDD has gotten Drake's numbers wrong for the last 3 weeks. Especially going under each time.

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    RenBop

    Niggas crying about 3% and purposely leaving out other factors as a mechanism to maintain disappointment. Touch grass

    Ehhh I don't think iHype is being unfair or overly critical. They might not be correct but they're just saying what the numbers are saying.

    It's hard for rap albums to hold they usually follow declines similar to this or worse. But I'll be interested to see how it does going forward. The numbers are still good, all things considered

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    if that man ever dropped a deluxe mid-week to beat whoever, full blown think pieces and rap blog narrative shaping posts coming immediately lol. And if he bundled at the height of bundles it wouldve been asterisks by every release

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    Ehhh I don't think iHype is being unfair or overly critical. They might not be correct but they're just saying what the numbers are saying.

    It's hard for rap albums to hold they usually follow declines similar to this or worse. But I'll be interested to see how it does going forward. The numbers are still good, all things considered

    A 3% difference with an album that is still selling more than double of the amount as the project being compared is being overly critical

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    iHype

    "Basic business showcases that a minor decrease in sales compared to another product is expected if it is selling way more than that product anyways ."

    Doesn't apply to this

    Scorpion for example, decreased 54% second week.
    CLB decreased 61% second week.

    Scorpion also did more first week to begin with, so what is your logic for why CLB decreased harder?

    Something doing more does not automatically indicate it will decrease harder in percentage. That just comes down to the album resonating and if it has hits carrying it in further weeks.

    Didn't you just answer your own question in this post? You really can't compare Scorpion to CLB. One had the momentum of two smash hits heading into it's release, with a third smash hit emerging immediately following the release of the album, while CLB has none of that.

    I've seen your posts complaining about CLB's decreases but it's held better than any other album that's dropped this year with the exception of SOUR (which also had a huge hit before it's release and another huge hit the week before the album dropped).

    You seem determined to paint CLB's decreases as some sort of L and I don't get that at all.

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    iHype

    Hence why I said "bit more" frontloaded.

    It's still dropping faster, no? The point is it actually shouldn't even be dropping similar at all.

    One was a mixtape, the other is a studio album. At this point the era gonna be done by the Holidays if they don't actually put no effort into anything else.

    Girls Want Girls is already being pushed as the next single. A video would help and hopefully, they have one ready to go but at the end of the day, it all boils down to people connecting to what they'll connect with.

    Who could have thought that out of all the songs on the album outside of Way 2 Sexy (which got pushed as the first single), Knife Talk was the one people were going to resonate with the most? It's projected to spend a fourth straight week in the top 10 and it's doing this off streams alone and 0 radio support (so far).

    I think Fair Trade, Knife Talk and TSU will eventually get pushed as singles but again, if people don't f*** with those songs enough to throw their support behind them, it won't matter.

    This era has been a resounding success so far. The only way anyone will be disappointed is if they expected him to replicate the success of Scorpion/it's singles, which is a ridiculous expectation for anyone to have.

    The album dropped, did incredibly well and is a great listen that'll age well. That's all anyone should care about.

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    Didn't you just answer your own question in this post? You really can't compare Scorpion to CLB. One had the momentum of two smash hits heading into it's release, with a third smash hit emerging immediately following the release of the album, while CLB has none of that.

    I've seen your posts complaining about CLB's decreases but it's held better than any other album that's dropped this year with the exception of SOUR (which also had a huge hit before it's release and another huge hit the week before the album dropped).

    You seem determined to paint CLB's decreases as some sort of L and I don't get that at all.

    ...Which is why I didn't compare CLB to Scorpion. Until someone made a claim that "if you do more its expected you will drop harder". So then I pointed out that is indeed not true.

    I wish y'all would also learn how to read my posts correctly. I didn't say it's an L... I just said it should be holding better. Which is really my opinion lmao. I didn't say the numbers were bad, I just expected it to not be dropping faster than DLDT which was left for dead with no singles during release. But then again, this era isn't really having any more effort than DLDT did once it dropped...

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    iHype

    ...Which is why I didn't compare CLB to Scorpion. Until someone made a claim that "if you do more its expected you will drop harder". So then I pointed out that is indeed not true.

    I wish y'all would also learn how to read my posts correctly. I didn't say it's an L... I just said it should be holding better. Which is really my opinion lmao. I didn't say the numbers were bad, I just expected it to not be dropping faster than DLDT which was left for dead with no singles during release. But then again, this era isn't really having any more effort than DLDT did once it dropped...

    Why "should" it be doing better? It's not even doing bad? The best-performing albums released in the streaming era are down to 30-50k weekly units 10-14 weeks after their release or even sooner than that. I want Drake to push more singles to give the album a better chance but if people continue to f*** with the album enough for it to still be averaging 30-50K units months from now, that's a massive W. Having 4 or more 100K+ weeks is super rare for any album. CLB just did that.

    The goal now is to keep the album somewhat stable in that 30-50k range and for more singles to be pushed. That's the most that can reasonably be done. The rest is in the hands of the listeners and what they connect with/choose to support.

  • Oct 1, 2021

    Imagine purposely being dense . Couldn’t be me

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    “If you do wayyy more you are expected to drop harder” is more similar to my actual quote. Peep i said way more ? Plus majority of the time that is correct . That’s why it’s “expected” bringing up an anomaly like scorpion that also was apart of a different time in music climate wise is silly

    Also stick to your f***ing point . You brought up an outlandish comparison with two albums that both came out during this Covid era that has a 3 PERCENT DIFFERENCE . Why use percentages from past eras like that also doesn’t stockpile the circumstance even more

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    thegreatdivine

    Why "should" it be doing better? It's not even doing bad? The best-performing albums released in the streaming era are down to 30-50k weekly units 10-14 weeks after their release or even sooner than that. I want Drake to push more singles to give the album a better chance but if people continue to f*** with the album enough for it to still be averaging 30-50K units months from now, that's a massive W. Having 4 or more 100K+ weeks is super rare for any album. CLB just did that.

    The goal now is to keep the album somewhat stable in that 30-50k range and for more singles to be pushed. That's the most that can reasonably be done. The rest is in the hands of the listeners and what they connect with/choose to support.

    Views spent 35 weeks top 10 and Scorpion spent 34 weeks top 10.
    If he doesn't do much more effort wise then I'm pretty sure this album is gonna leave top 10 during holidays (a bunch of Christmas music flooding), then not return for much longer afterwards.

    That's why paying attention to the percentage is key, because if it's not holding better than DLDT it probably won't really still be doing big numbers into 2022.

    Views and Scorpion were strongly stable, and doing 30k+ for over 6 months.

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    RenBop

    “If you do wayyy more you are expected to drop harder” is more similar to my actual quote. Peep i said way more ? Plus majority of the time that is correct . That’s why it’s “expected” bringing up an anomaly like scorpion that also was apart of a different time in music climate wise is silly

    Also stick to your f***ing point . You brought up an outlandish comparison with two albums that both came out during this Covid era that has a 3 PERCENT DIFFERENCE . Why use percentages from past eras like that also doesn’t stockpile the circumstance even more

    I mean that still isn't true.

    CLB's second week: -61%
    DLDT's second week: -64%

    Again, CLB did over 2x more and was actually holding better.

    And in further weeks I woulda expected it to hold even more better because CLB has some songs sticking while DLDT didn't really aside from Chicago Freestyle but even that was sticking nowhere near as much as W2S/GNG/Knife Talk.

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    iHype

    I mean that still isn't true.

    CLB's second week: -61%
    DLDT's second week: -64%

    Again, CLB did over 2x more and was actually holding better.

    And in further weeks I woulda expected it to hold even more better because CLB has some songs sticking while DLDT didn't really aside from Chicago Freestyle but even that was sticking nowhere near as much as W2S/GNG/Knife Talk.

    You using drake comparisons still doesn’t negate my point that it’s normal to see a minor percent like 3% be lower for things selling way more if you compare week to week . These percentages are an anomaly , not the majority . My point still stands

  • Oct 1, 2021

    I give up though . I don’t have the energy to explain why a 3% difference isn’t an indicator on a lack of stability

  • Oct 1, 2021
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    RenBop

    You using drake comparisons still doesn’t negate my point that it’s normal to see a minor percent like 3% be lower for things selling way more if you compare week to week . These percentages are an anomaly , not the majority . My point still stands

    Care Package second week: -71%

    Again your point holds NO weight.

    Care Package debuted lower than CLB, DLDT, and Scorpion yet dropped quicker than all of them.

    Doing more does not mean you will drop harder, doing less does not mean you will drop slower.

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    iHype

    Care Package second week: -71%

    Again your point holds NO weight.

    Care Package debuted lower than CLB, DLDT, and Scorpion yet dropped quicker than all of them.

    Doing more does not mean you will drop harder, doing less does not mean you will drop slower.

    Care package did more compared to what ? What are you talking about . My point is comparing two projects where one sells way more than the other . Why did you bring up care package (a rebundle of heard products) with no fair comparison . What is your point

    And i said it’s expected for minor percentages specifically . Not the standard . Niggas can’t read to save they life

  • Oct 1, 2021
    RenBop
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    Care package did more compared to what ? What are you talking about . My point is comparing two projects where one sells way more than the other . Why did you bring up care package (a rebundle of heard products) with no fair comparison . What is your point

    And i said it’s expected for minor percentages specifically . Not the standard . Niggas can’t read to save they life

    Care Package did substantially lower numbers than every other recent Drake full release (understandably) -- and even then, it still dropped harder than they all did.

    That again, was proof, that goes against your logic. Literally all these releases I pointed out go against your logic.

    If something has hits on it and is a bigger deal it's probably gonna drop less, even if it is doing huger numbers.

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    iHype

    Views spent 35 weeks top 10 and Scorpion spent 34 weeks top 10.
    If he doesn't do much more effort wise then I'm pretty sure this album is gonna leave top 10 during holidays (a bunch of Christmas music flooding), then not return for much longer afterwards.

    That's why paying attention to the percentage is key, because if it's not holding better than DLDT it probably won't really still be doing big numbers into 2022.

    Views and Scorpion were strongly stable, and doing 30k+ for over 6 months.

    I hear you and I get where you're coming from but AGAIN, you're comparing CLB to the two biggest albums of his career. You're the one who has said several times that you expected the Views era to be his commercial peak and that you were blown away by the success of the Scorpion era. You also said you knew for sure that Scorpion was his peak era and so you didn't have high commercial expectations for CLB so I don't get where these comparisons are coming from because they're not consistent with what you've been saying for months now. All you've done is act disappointed at CLB's numbers/it's performance. All it took for you to come in here panicking was for HDD to suggest that YoungBoy's album was #1 over CLB in it's FOURTH week.

    CLB dropped closer to December than either Views or Scorpion so yes, it will spend less weeks in the top 10 before Christmas than either of those albums did. I don't get why you're bringing up the album leaving the top 10 during Christmas as some sort of criticism about it's performance when we all know that both the Hot 100/Billboard 200 top 10 will be flooded by Christmas songs/albums, thereby pushing out several stable songs/albums in the process.

    I'm completely with you on Drake pushing more singles off the album (like I said earlier, GWG is already getting a radio push and all that's left is a music video) but CLB was released unlike any other Drake album before it. This is the first Drake album to have 0 pre-released singles. Every song was new. Views had Hotline Bling tacked on it and has a monster hit in One Dance released right before it dropped. Same for Scorpion with God's Plan/Nice for What/In My Feelings so why are you directly comparing CLB's performance to the performance of those albums when you're well aware of the clear differences? CLB's first 4 weeks were a massive success. Some more hits off the album would be nice but all that matters now is the album stablilizing in the 30-50k range moving forward.

    I really don't know what you expected from this album commercially to act so disappointed at it's performance but to each his own, I guess.