oat milk

4y

yeah but why do you think that

Cherrywine

4y

Because the Bible says so
This is where faith comes into play

Aside from that, there’s evidence that the events of the Bible did actually occur. Sodom and gomorrah for example

oat milk

4y

i feel like this is the point at which these convos reach a stonewall.

i just don’t see any reason to defer to anything external other than external forces “people/society” telling me i should.

like the man himself is right here. theres nothing to seek

Cherrywine

4y

And you can absolutely do that. Faith has existed before the Bible. The people in the Bible didnt have a Bible

That said, reading the Bible and really letting it open you up spiritually would show you that it really is the word of God and not just a book. I don’t think it’s something that should easily be written off as “just a book”.

It’s an essential reading in our walk. It helps us understand our Lord, his relationship with us, the way he operates, teaches us life lessons, gives advice on the way we should be carrying ourselves, etc

I just think that ignoring the importance of the Bible is kinda like walking in the dark

HITSLIKEDIETCOKE

4y

I think you should because you seem more passionate about it. I think an important rule is no aesthetic posting

Aesthetic is an enemy of Christianity in my opinion

oat milk

4y

personally i see it as one part of the equation.

most wordly religions are generally pointing to the same idea when you factor out cultural and social differences.

the conclusion is there for you to find for yourself.

try not to limit yourself to the set of texts you were born into you feel me?

cold mountain

4y

in all honesty even if people limit themselves to one doctrine like you're saying people do, at the end of the day there is only one truth + one reality which is whatever is beyond us. all of these major religions can draw up their different dogmas and interpretations of the ancient scriptures and dedicate themselves to it, but ultimately the raft is not the shore. unfortunately some people never come to understand the timeless, eternal and transcendent unity that undergirds all of the major religions it is what it is

oat milk

4y

concepts are just concepts. you have to experience the nature of non duality for yourself

Goddamn Dog

4y

god isn't real

oat milk

4y

personally i see it as one part of the equation.

most wordly religions are generally pointing to the same idea when you factor out cultural and social differences.

the conclusion is there for you to find for yourself.

try not to limit yourself to the set of texts you were born into you feel me?

commonwrongdoer

4y

What same idea do you think they're pointing to?

oat milk

4y

a hindu would say life is a show god is playing for itself; the setting and all the actors are god himself.

a buddhist would say, we are all “jesus” because in reality there is nothing that is not god. we are all the speaker for god, because we are it;

this consciousness is god, the earth is god, subatomic particles. everything and everyone.

christianity and islam repackage these concepts into the stories of jesus and mohamad.

i know a decent chunk of traditional christians would find some offense to these concepts, but take away the stories and extraneous details and you really do come to the same central idea.

we (god) created this human experience, to experience the duality/opposite of god (which is this; personhood, self, other)

a dream in the consciousness of god

commonwrongdoer

4y

Christianity is based on the life death and resurrection of Christ. Take that away and you don't have christianity.

oat milk

4y

not really the point of what i wrote or the question you asked me lol

Cherrywine

4y

pantheistic beliefs are not anything new or profound. We are aware of them and told to reject them

oat milk

4y

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i completely disagree if im being honest.

non duality is absolutely a matter of personal inquiry rather than a matter of faith.

oat milk

4y

i completely disagree if im being honest.

non duality is absolutely a matter of personal inquiry rather than a matter of faith.

mythic

4y

It is very unclear what point you are trying to make in all that you have said thus far, and truly if it does anything it is to highlight, for anyone who cares to read along with this discussion, the importance of religion itself and the disservice to the self that is resorting to a personal idolatrous pseudospirituality. The importance of religion is the importance of doctrine, of having the doctrinal foundation on which to stand, so that one does not flounder within this world of falsity and imitation that we occupy today.

What you said, that “most worldly religions are generally pointing to the same idea” is wrong, insofar as all authentic tradition is quite literally ‘pointing’ to, and expressing the same true reality, it is only that the ‘clothing’ is variegated. Christianity in this regard affirms that reality is more than just a ‘dream in the consciousness of god’, as do Hinduism and Buddhism. In fact, one has to ‘factor in’ to use your terminology, such things as ‘cultural and social difference’ to truly understand this, to ‘factor it out’ is to discredit it itself, as the Gospel of the Lord says “two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.”

A dream, as Plato says is only an effusion of sense-perception accumulated during the daytime, and as the great Muslim ibn Arabi says one is most at risk of attack by the Satan in sleep, the messages we perceive to receive in dreams serve as an expression of this and we therefore must not always trust our dreams, do you trust reality? Surely if you propound to be an expert on the doctrines of the Far East I’m sure you are familiar with the parable of the butterfly in the Zhuangzhi. How does one know that reality is not just a dream? Because we must know that it is not, because we must not fall into false-belief wherein we feel at liberty to discount faith and turn words like ‘nonduality’ into idols, and think that we are above honest worship, humility, charity and love. As Lao Tsu says ‘the generals place is on the right, and the lieutenants is on the left’. Saying that ‘nonduality is a matter of personal inquiry’ is saying nothing, you’re already an ‘individual’, what matters is who the individual is that you are to be.

mythic

4y

It is very unclear what point you are trying to make in all that you have said thus far, and truly if it does anything it is to highlight, for anyone who cares to read along with this discussion, the importance of religion itself and the disservice to the self that is resorting to a personal idolatrous pseudospirituality. The importance of religion is the importance of doctrine, of having the doctrinal foundation on which to stand, so that one does not flounder within this world of falsity and imitation that we occupy today.

What you said, that “most worldly religions are generally pointing to the same idea” is wrong, insofar as all authentic tradition is quite literally ‘pointing’ to, and expressing the same true reality, it is only that the ‘clothing’ is variegated. Christianity in this regard affirms that reality is more than just a ‘dream in the consciousness of god’, as do Hinduism and Buddhism. In fact, one has to ‘factor in’ to use your terminology, such things as ‘cultural and social difference’ to truly understand this, to ‘factor it out’ is to discredit it itself, as the Gospel of the Lord says “two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.”

A dream, as Plato says is only an effusion of sense-perception accumulated during the daytime, and as the great Muslim ibn Arabi says one is most at risk of attack by the Satan in sleep, the messages we perceive to receive in dreams serve as an expression of this and we therefore must not always trust our dreams, do you trust reality? Surely if you propound to be an expert on the doctrines of the Far East I’m sure you are familiar with the parable of the butterfly in the Zhuangzhi. How does one know that reality is not just a dream? Because we must know that it is not, because we must not fall into false-belief wherein we feel at liberty to discount faith and turn words like ‘nonduality’ into idols, and think that we are above honest worship, humility, charity and love. As Lao Tsu says ‘the generals place is on the right, and the lieutenants is on the left’. Saying that ‘nonduality is a matter of personal inquiry’ is saying nothing, you’re already an ‘individual’, what matters is who the individual is that you are to be.