as i said before, even if the 2.8k follower account is right, there are a multitude of other images that show mistreatment that have not been debunked.

i.e. the source is the one shown by the bbc presenter to the chinese ambassador. and to my knowledge that's the 'primary' source displayed to prove claims of uighur mistreatment.

i agree western media can be biased, but i think in this specific context, there's far less room for bias to the point (because of the points i made earlier regarding source material) where the sources engage in disinformation compared to those linked by others in this thread.

Gonna watch this in a bit, Oliver often twists his sources to fit his narrative but there are moments of good insight/humor

it's not sensible. it's infantile thinking. if the west is bad, then anything against it must be good.

i don't think that guy should have been banned but the mental gymnastics to go through to actively deny this s*** is embarrassing

I don't think that the guy should've been banned based on what he posted itt. He should be able to freely express his opinion even if most people here, including me, strongly disagree with it.

The purpose of this thread is to spread awareness and start a discussion. If somebody thinks that the sources I listed aren't credible, then fair enough, they should be able to criticize it.

Nah, f*** that dude. He was doing too much

If youre going to debunk s*** in an thread like this with facebook posts and twitter links to randoms you need to go. Shows the type of mentality you have

Thats Flat Earth, Anti Vaxxer, Holocaust Denier, etc levels of argumentation over serious topics.

There was no way you were getting anyone to believe a goddamn twitter post over CNN, BBC, AP, etc unless it was a video of a dude literally inside a camp doing a 4 hour tour with no cuts throughout each facility.

The moment you start pulling up a google drive with 0 noteworthy sources in a thread discussing whether a genocide/human rights error is happening, is when your only saving grace is that we dont have 30 years of foresight to confirm with certainty what is happening at China's reeducation camps.

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There is literally no difference between a Holocaust denier pulling up literally 50 sources from his storage bin and a twitter post in an argument and what that dude was doing. He is literally only saved by the fact we dont literally have people inside Chinese camps

No one has even mentioned Russia, so bringing that up seems a bit out of left field. Hell the only mention russia gets by any socialist nowadays is to mock liberals who want to paint putin as some evil mastermind controlling every countries elections rather than doing any actual a***ysis.

As for this situation, there is only a select few who are going to be outrightly denying genocide or any sort of wrong doing by the chinese government. the issue being discussed right now is not assessing what the chinese government is doing, its your mods holding a double standard for potential misinformation, particularly the two things i have pointed out. that CNN article has one source of information, the US state department. I'm not sure why exactly they should be taken at their word as a credible source on the matter in that article, and the video of the men being taken from trains was already being circulated in 2017, relating to a separate incident. So if Plex is going to banned over posting misinformation, surely OP either has to clean up his post, or face the same consequence right?

And to compare allegations of western propaganda to trump and his far right base decrying fake news is also a false equivalence. the latter is done in attempt to try and absolve trump of any sort of criticism whatsoever even when it is legitimate (and it often is)

the former is just realizing that the west, the United States in particular has a pattern of alleging human rights abuses, among other things, abroad, so that they can legitimize the use of force against those nations later on. its been done for decades, and we recently just had a coup in bolivia on the backs of the very same western propaganda. so yes, please forgive leftists if we have a tough time reconciling the idea that the united states leaders and media suddenly give a f*** about muslims being genocided when the US has been aiding in the exact same thing for how long now? Regardless of the fact that there is some sort of genocide (whether it be the case of systemically murdering or a cultural one) it does not negate the fact that the US, especially now, under this regime almost certainly has some sort of ulterior motive, because it has nothing to do with the well being of muslims or human rights.

its like when we hear about democracy protests in hong kong and then we see people from that movement meeting up with tom cotton or some s***, but we never hear a word in the media about the protesting of austerity politics in chile. it is possible to condemn human rights abuses worldwide without swallowing up every story that the US spits out about those abuses as true or without noting the very obvious hypocrisy within them.

Synopsis posting about how he wants to equate a CNN article which reports what the US State Department found going through their own customs

With...

A twitter post that is arguing against literal thin air while citing the source of the Concentration Camp pic from Wikipedia as the same poster posts in the comments "If the Uighurs were really malnourished, theyd be skin and bones!! They look well fed"

I swear Synopsis does not respect reality. How paranoid do you need to be to equate the two things.

One is a poster posting sources from reputable news network that are held in regard based on the merits of the society we inhabit.

The other is a dude looking at a literal influx of sources, with literal blatant propaganda from state run media, facebook posts, and twitter posts.

I guess if CNN was Russia Today or literally...

Even BBC operates independant of the government.

Kind of a paranoid schizophrenic take to be this tweaked about OP linking Cnn

Also whats with the literal post crying about how we arent talking about Chilean Austerity protest?

Regardless of USA based motives. China is one of our largest trading partners. They would be in the news in some capacity regardless.

Synopsis you sound so utterly ignorant sometimes.

If you want to signalboost Latin American issues than go ahead lmao wtf.

This thread isnt about that so go whine about how you dont want t be party to any human rights activism that utilizes western reporting elsewhere

Literally
"WAH WAH USA BULLY CHINA WAH WAH WHY MEDIA NO TALK ABOUT X WAH WAH UIGHURS ARE WESTERN PROPAGANDA WAH WAH WEST IS LYING WAH WAH THE KARDASHIANS ARE LYING TO YOU" the post

You're bringing up more s*** to try and refute my point. The whole point you originally made was about leftists having some fanatical views about russia/china because they hate the US. Nothing to do with the extent of cyber warfare being done by those countries. An even then, it'd be irresponsible to act like the west isn't engaged in the exact same activities.

Its also just incredibly weird to call russia and china the biggest winners when the US and its western allies have been engaged in a decades long propaganda effort to destabilize, destroy and suppress any sort of leftist/socialist movements across the globe and have successfully utilized their propaganda to instill capitalism nearly worldwide. When it comes to dishing out propaganda the west is unmatched, maybe you should be doing research on how effective those efforts have been? And hey, all of this was before modern technology and social media, so just imagine how ramped up the efforts are now. And I'm not going sit back and blame US problems on some chinese or russian disinformation campaigns lol. But hey I guess its easier to sit back and call what russia and china are doing disinformation or propaganda because you and I both live in countries where we have the illusion of a free and responsible press acting as government watchdogs. I just wonder how you'd react if a bunch of latin american countries or something got together to do a report on the disinformation and election meddling done by the US in their elections. I hope you'd take it just as seriously.

Except that point is very far removed from what we were originally talking about. Russian and Chinese cyberwarfare is not related to your idea of how leftists view modern day Russia or how we discuss it.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Synopsis say anything similar to the phrase “that’s a decent point” in my years of using this website

Oh please shut the f*** up

Never seen more idiots gathered in one thread

That's unfair and I been the one arguing against him the most itt

He wasn't spreading any blatantly untrue information, the way he selects and interprets info was just extremely biased

People spread a bunch of lies in this sxn and never get banned

Like how is johnnyfive still posting if that's supposed to be the bar

do u have proof what he posted was fake tho?

Equating what he's doing to Holocaust denialism is so disingenuous jesus christ lmao