Everyone is forced to think and have attraction to what society believes and enforces as the current norm.

However it is your choice whether or not to have a defiance against it or a support towards it.

No matter what everyone is accustomed and unable to fully be uninfluenced towards what society calls upon for aesthetic-wise.

It goes for all aspects in life.
However unlike most aspects. When it's enforced on specific living beings. Then that is when it becomes harmful.

I cant lock it

I hear you but what’s the problem with that though. It’s not like men are choosing the body types on their own.

Look at it like this. Men put athletes on a pedestal which in turn women see so they value athletes as well. You can say it’s the same thing for body types. Women see Kate moss in the magazines and try to emulate her which in turn causes men to want a woman like that. That’s isn’t oppressive imo

It’s definitely a weird confluence of both and of course social influence is huge — but there is a range of hip to waist ratio across cultures (albeit with granular differences in preference) that signals toward some sort of objective attractiveness

U hate women?

I'm not gettin into all that my only point was that you and a lot of other ppl were undercutting cultural influence on beauty standards and acting like men just like what they like because they were born that way

Unreal

them fellas not that pretty tbh

Yeah. It certainly is not 100% social conditioning. Big hips would be something that I would consider to be a more natural attraction, but society can convince otherwise. We have been through that phase in the 80s and 90s especially. In the west at least.

There are also cultures that do not find breasts sexually stimulating.

What is this thread man

Awful.

a good way to waste your saturday

Nothing more annoying than idiots coming into an active thread they have no interest in and baiting mods to lock it.

Don't like the thread? F*** off.

Thread is a s***show tbh on both sides. Could’ve brought something more productive to the discussion myself but I’ll take what I need to and keep it moving

Just talking in circles at this point

I agree men gotta step it up in many areas but y’all can’t put this s*** on us man

I could send this thread into yet anorjer rabbit hole in one post... Should I do it

Yeah we can

Interesting take. Naturally, or scientifically, I’ve heard men are attracted to wide hips, strong legs & large breasts.

Obviously it could differ for what other things men like (feet, eyes, etc), but those 3 are the subconscious kickers.

Is that why we always stare at butts though? Like why men (even if they’re 90) just look lmao?

We’re not naturally attracted to large breasts, women have lived casually topless in god knows how many different societies

looking at it from an evolutionary perspective i'd imagine that wide hips are found attractive because it signals the woman may be able to shoot out babies like a pitching machine, and while survival and reproduction aren't life or death priorities like they used to be, we still exhibit a lot of these evolutionary tendencies

Topless for sure, but let’s say 2000 years ago, would a woman with large or small breasts be more attractive?

I personally dgaf, small breasts are awesome too. All you need is a handful bbg

Breasts being attractive is social conditioning.

Hips being attractive probably is natural due to it representing a strong woman who can bear children. The meme of big hips being for breeding has some truth to it.

Nah it's facts.

Western media pushed big titts and small asses as sexy in 2000s, but since 2010 plastic and big asses have been a wave