You keep going on about how Marxism was a white cultural export from Russia and that it's a "white" ideology.

Would you please clarify what your point is?

Denmark Vesey was a Pastor of the biggest church at that time. Not black not white but in general. Our liberation starts when we return to our proper mindset and understanding. When we work with each other and we exclusively work with each other, we’re invincible. Not into politics, like all those terms conservative, liberal etc doesn’t mean anything to me. I’m strictly about spiritual upliftment, removing ourselves from false religions (yes every abrahamic religion is false, Abraham only had a culture he passed down knowledge to) funding and networking with OUR businesses first, second and third. Redeveloping our neighborhoods etc. overall, placing us in the driver seat. Y’all don’t believe it and that’s fine but being one that’s actively doing this for years, there’s no guile in my words nor actions.

Hates a strong word

It was a response to someone. I'm having an exchange with him.

That person insists that communism/socialism is the solution to the African problem. In order to prove that he tried to establish that historically socialism was the moving force in African liberation.

To make that thought more acceptable he is willing to say that Russians are not white, which is ludicrous of course. That's why I put the emphasis on that.

Obviously Africans are on average more frequently and more ruthlessly exploitated than anybody else, but don't underestimate how the African bourgeoisie is in the way of black liberation, we've seen it happen all too often that they'll align with Western imperialism.

cmon! This for real

The so called African elite is definatly our enemy. But I would not call them the bourgeoisie, I think that is trying too hard. You could say that they have an bourgeoisie attitude.
But there are not enough of them to call it an African bourgeoisie. And some of them are still broke compared to other people bourgeoisie.

But I'll admit that maybe it's just me being very petty.

Now, I do believe there is a black American bourgeoisie.

Well a socialized economy isn't going to be enough for black liberation, but you won't put an end to imperialism if you leave the capitalism's inherent drive for expansion in place.

Whether your bourgeois or proletarian is based on your relation to the means production. You can be bourgeois and still make less than some higher earning workers, you would just be petit bourgeois.

Of course there are very significant differences between smaller capitalists in Africa and Jeff Bezos (one being that one of these two would on average materially benefit from socialism and one wouldn't), but it doesn't mean that they're not bourgeois.

Yea am gonna have to learn these terms u guys are talm bout.

That stuffs always been so goofy n nonproductive to me. Just be black and work together. Why is that so hard?

The number is low and shrinking all the time but that doesnt mean that they dont exist and still maintain a class dictatorship across most of Africa.

Because the world system of imperialism will only allow certain things to happen. This system causes a natural class tension between the progressive small land-owning/business-owning classes and the workers/peasantry. They have different interests as classes, so eventually one class imposes its will over another; which is exactly what happened in most post-colonial African nations. Once these new countries stagnated because technology opened the continent to outsourcing, the class alliances that won their independence from the west broke up pretty quickly. The leadership of the working class is the only proven method at escaping western imperialism.

I really think we need to do something to push back on some celebrities wanting to blur the line with politics while they are speaking nonsense.

Why have T.I. speak about black political issues when he is clearly uneducated in that regard? It would help if the black politicians we already have would speak up a lot more especially nowadays.

The lack of black political organization is abysmal and upsetting. It's even worse in other parts of the diaspora.

Maybe a little off topic, but what do you all make of Colin Powell?

We definatly need an alternative model but we can build that ourselves.

And don't forget capitalist expansion is linked to white supremacists.

Just like China have their own version of capitalism, we can have our own African of black cspirslidn for the time being, we find a model that is sustainable.

But it depends on what your goal is. If its justice amongst the races then it would be enough if our societies would have equal wealth and assets as those who dominate us thus far.

Now if you want to build a bleach Wakanda in the sense of an utopia were everything is perfect, that's another story.

I'm somewhere in the middle. The most important is to get rid of white supremacy and never let these f***ers rule the world ever again.
But I do think as African people/black people we can build a better society than the white supremacists especially since we have more resources than them, and more creativity, also a natural sense of belonging in the universe, which they clearly lack. That's why they always try to be God and f*** up the planet.

Their dictatorship is "fske" because most of the time they don't have real opposition ( the people ). They're just puppets of the white supremacists.

They can be dealt with very quickly if the people decide to.

Clearly a man with great military abilities.
Too bad he never went back to the black community to teach us the stuff.

Yeah we definatly need to make these rappers accountable. St the same time there are some idiots out there that will only listen to a rapper. And SOME rappers say some real s***.

But you're 100% right about the white supremacists plan to make these rappers talk for us instead of people with an intellectual/ community organizing background.

A lot of black politicians are coins but we need to bring to the front those who aren't and all the people that should be given a microphone even if they donf have political aspirations. We have many of those good people.

What you think about the Foundational Black American conference next summer?

New book coming out, Afropessimism by Frank Wilderson III

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*In the tradition of Edward Said’s Orientalism and Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks, Afropessimism is an unparalleled account of the non-analogous experience of being Black.

A seminal work that strikingly combines groundbreaking philosophy with searing flights of memoir, Afropessimism presents the tenets of an increasingly influential intellectual movement that theorizes blackness through the lens of perpetual slavery. Rather than interpreting slavery through a Marxist framework of class oppression, Frank B. Wilderson III, “a truly indispensable thinker” (Fred Moten), demonstrates that the social construct of slavery, as seen through pervasive, anti-black subjugation and violence, is hardly a relic of the past but an almost necessary force in our civilization that flourishes today, and that Black struggles cannot be conflated with the experiences of any other oppressed group. In mellifluous prose, Wilderson juxtaposes his seemingly idyllic upbringing in halcyon midcentury Minneapolis with the harshness that he would later encounter, whether in radicalized, late-1960s Berkeley or in the slums of Soweto. Following in the rich literary tradition of works by DuBois, Malcolm X and Baldwin, Afropessimism reverberates with wisdom and painful clarity in the fractured world we inhabit.*

I've increased the amount of black businesses I by from this year. If black people could gain and maintain economic power, discrimination wouldn't be as effective as it is.

In the end you either have a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or a dictatorship of the proletariat, you can't have it both ways. There are places like Tanzania where the tension between the two classes has lasted into the 21st century but inevitably one class places it's will upon another. And yes, the workers should overthrow the capitalists, glad we agree.

I would love this to be one of the objectives of this thread. Not just talking but action. We could make a yearly action for black history month. Or commit to support some time of black business on the regular.

No one is more loyal to the United States than black people.

Don't let these lying devils tell you otherwise.

There is no way for you to prove that there are only two possibilities. That's a false dichotomy.

Some ancient people in Africa had systems where each period the country would be ruled by another ffamily/tribe. There was a ceremony where the ruler would give all his symbols to the next ruler. There was also a system of intermarriage that would build the cohesiveness of the people. This is ne of the sources of polygamy which is something a lot of people frown upon nowadays.

All history in Africa even in Tanzania is influenced by the white supremacists. In countries like Rwanda, they CREATED a two class system based on colorism. They would separate you even if you were from the same family.

That's why the words you try to apply to Africa or black people are just some words out of a theory that doesn't necessarily apply to black people.

It's like feminism.

What's your opinion on the Foundational Black Americans conference in 2020?

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