Elric

5y

my boys got sidelined hard in '66 when the label forced them to put out a whole covers album but they had a couple gem singles still... one of which gets to claim first Tolkien lyric in rock afaik @rvi @HeyFella

rvi

5y

i can take you to the sun but you dont want to go :fck:

Elric

5y

oh yeah i forgot about Mystery Train its excellent. Greil has written longer and harder than anybody about the Basement Tapes and hes the only other one that gets it

got gifted this nice edition last birthday

Atlienz

5y

that's pretty

Fella

5y

Will check these out soon. Love me some Beau boys lol

Elric

5y

my boys got sidelined hard in '66 when the label forced them to put out a whole covers album but they had a couple gem singles still... one of which gets to claim first Tolkien lyric in rock afaik @rvi @HeyFella

Very Based

5y

Crazy that Ascension came out in 66

Elric

5y

which of these 7 Sun Ra albums that came out in '66 would hit for me i wonder

Elric

5y

One of them fancy Folio editions

rvi

5y

Magic City is great but no way its gonna hit for you if Coltrane scares you off lol

i can see you liking some of his later stuff though

Atlienz

4y

Blonde On Blonde is, together with the contemporary Freak Out by Frank Zappa, the first creative record of rock music, its first work of art. Its influence on the music of the time was enormous because it inspired an entire generation of musicians to express themselves first and foremost. Within a few years all English and American bands conceived creative works, including the Beatles with Sgt. Pepper. The doors of psychedelia were unlocked.
-Scaruffi

@Elric @RVI

Elric

4y

This Rubber Soul disregard is comical

Typical scaroof

Atlienz

4y

guess I get what he's saying about psychedelia...at least across a whole album. RS only really had a touch of psych on Norwegian Wood if at all.
13th floor elevators seems to be considered the first real psych rock album but you and RVI would probably know more about

Elric

4y

He didn't say psychedelia he said the first real creative work of art. Like I said I've been reading tons of archival interviews from back then and literally everybody acknowledges it so I'm just gonna ignore scruffy and his subjective history again.

Atlienz

4y

I'm not denying that, that last sentence confused me cause I thought he was talking about BoB and Freak Out as "unlocking the doors of psychedelia" or whatever he means lol

Atlienz

4y

Blonde On Blonde is, together with the contemporary Freak Out by Frank Zappa, the first creative record of rock music, its first work of art. Its influence on the music of the time was enormous because it inspired an entire generation of musicians to express themselves first and foremost. Within a few years all English and American bands conceived creative works, including the Beatles with Sgt. Pepper. The doors of psychedelia were unlocked.
-Scaruffi

@Elric @RVI

Elric

5y

Brian Wilson interview from early '66 amazing to hear all this from his actual mouth

"For myself I don't go out on the tours at all now, I just work on production. I spent five months working on this new album and I think the album in the batch of new singles I've been working on, well, it's just like I'm right in the Golden Era of what it's all about. It's all just coming out like breathing now. I give a lot of credit, a lot of it, for everybody's success, to The Beatles. They've had a tremendous universal influence. That Rubber Soul album was a great new contribution it helped them reach a new plateau. The Byrds, while they represent a certain projected attitude, they've got a place too no doubt about that. I still give Phil Spector credit for being the single most influential producer, he's timeless. He makes a milestone whenever he goes into a studio.

The folk thing has been important. I think it has opened up a whole new intellectual bag for the kids. They're making thinking records now. That's what it is. Everybody is saying something. We got into a romantic rut. It was all boy-girl, crying records with everybody kind of screwed up. Suddenly Dylan comes along with a cold, intellectual, philosophical thing. He's a protester and his message pertains to society in general."

Elric

4y

I stopped reading before he got to that part

Rubber Soul and Mr. Tambourine Man unlocked the door (sonic and lyrical palette expansion) but The Byrds and Yardbirds blew it wide open

rvi

4y

Makes a little more sense if by "creative works" he just meant albums with the sense of wholeness like sgt pepper etc. And if by record he specifically meant albums since I don't think Byrds and yardbirds were as "album-y" in 65-66. But even then I'm don't really get that feeling from Blonde more than I do from bobs previous two but maybe blonde has somehow more togetherness in the lyrics which I didn't grasp

But yeah I'm def on your and Brian's side of praising rubber soul for a lot of those things and contributing to the art form of the rock/pop album

Elric

4y

@fuk_an_ad_lib who you going to believe weirdo scaruffi or Brian Wilson who was literally in the middle of making Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations

Elric

4y

Byrds debut album and Roger The Engineer were as albumy as it got for that time I think he's tripping focusing on Blonde tbh Dylan had already fully impacted the scene by then and it was just a victory lap

rvi

4y

theyre very good but i definitely dont see them to be as albumy as Bob's, rubber soul/revolver, or Freak out. also clear to see the difference in Byrds debut and their most albumy album, Notorious

not that its inherently a bad thing though ofc im way past that phase of being obsessive over ""cohesiveness"" over everything in albums and acting like it outweighs quality. just different and equally valid forms of albums