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  • ALPHABEAR

    So where does the finale finish off? I’m manga so dw

    Where this season stopped? I think it was 130

  • Apr 6, 2022
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    UIP

    this series having such a morally AWFUL protagonist is really making some of y’all expose yourselves as actual weirdos please have some self awareness

    How’s he a bad protagonist?

  • Apr 7, 2022
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    Isayama: "Racism bad, war bad, genocide bad"
    Twitter: "So you're saying racism good, war good, genocide good?"

  • Apr 7, 2022

    People who cant read stories should not talk about them, need to start gatekeeping s***

  • Apr 7, 2022

    Mfs were literally complaining the past 5 episodes were all about how war and conflict is bad, how racism is bad and how eren is wrong but no, isayama thinks all of those are good

  • Apr 7, 2022
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    Stardust
    https://twitter.com/itskindred/status/1511769895985463310

    Isayama: "Racism bad, war bad, genocide bad"
    Twitter: "So you're saying racism good, war good, genocide good?"

    This was way worse during the mange ending era. These takes were popping up every minute lmao

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    Stardust

    I agree with you in essence, but to play sort of the devil's advocate, we've seen that peace talks where we at in the story were not possible, even before eren announced the rumbling. We see marco, Armin and Uri wondering why cant two sides just sit down and have a conversation, at least to understand eachother and come to a conclusion that benefits both; hange wonders this too in the railroad flashback, and they make the Avengers sit in a campfire trying to do exactly this, but while uri and kenny's relationship and the Avengers get together show clearly that there will always be a chance for people of oppsite views to come to an understanding, its still just a hope, that with time and with its unending pursue might come to reality, armin says so when they're at the shootout with eren, but eren doesnt have time, and that's a key aspect imo, and also, he's seen parts of what will happen in the future, and that future involves the rumbling. He wants to bring his loved ones the peace and freedom himself, because he wants to be sure that when he's gone they will keep on living a good life. He knows what he's doing is wrong and disgusting, but he has to do it, because the world as he himself knows is cruel and there was no other choice to him. Not justifying eren in any way, im more on team armin, but isayama has done a great job at explaining why eren is doing what we're seeing, and why talking things out is a difficult ideal to maintain in a world rooted in conflict. Maybe the later chapters will change my opinion or enrich it with new perspectives and revelations

    Armin was also pro-short rumbling to destroy military bases etc. That seems like an okay trade off. It still would've killed people, but only people who signed up for it and not the whole world. It wouldve demilitarized the world (kinda a f***ed up term now with the Ukraine-Russia war). The rumbling wouldve been used as a threat, as a nuclear weapon. After negotiations with other countries would've went way easier.

    Instead Eren went with: i'm going to kill everyone including innocents, refugees of war, children etc. at this time. He's a genocidal maniac. So while we can see where he's coming from, that doesn't make him right like a lot of people still seem to think. That shows how genocide can even happen

  • Apr 7, 2022
    ragedsycokiller

    This was way worse during the mange ending era. These takes were popping up every minute lmao

    Wonder if those same people supported eren's genocide

  • Apr 7, 2022
    Y0rn
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    Armin was also pro-short rumbling to destroy military bases etc. That seems like an okay trade off. It still would've killed people, but only people who signed up for it and not the whole world. It wouldve demilitarized the world (kinda a f***ed up term now with the Ukraine-Russia war). The rumbling wouldve been used as a threat, as a nuclear weapon. After negotiations with other countries would've went way easier.

    Instead Eren went with: i'm going to kill everyone including innocents, refugees of war, children etc. at this time. He's a genocidal maniac. So while we can see where he's coming from, that doesn't make him right like a lot of people still seem to think. That shows how genocide can even happen

    Armin's plan was definitely a more humane and moral possibility, and although it of course had less chances to be successful than annihilating all their "enemies", it was still a real possibility. But eren for example is not necessarily sure about that. He has 4 years left to live, after that he wont know what will happen to his friends, and besides the whole seeing his future s***, he heard willy's and the dude in the last episode's speeches and thought there was no chance for peace talks. Also, armin's plan in theory does not prevent the world from advancing technologically to the point of developing nukes and nuke the island away from existence, but there's also the possibility that peace can be reached before that. Ultimately its a choice between sacrificing all of humanity outside the Island for a safe but horrible future, or have a chance to have the fewest casualties and resolve the conflict although there's no guarantee it will happen. I'll always go with the second because, like hange said, genocide is always wrong no matter what

  • This scene recontextualized shows how his beliefs never really changed. His target did. My favorite scene in the show.

  • Apr 7, 2022
    AldErson

    How’s he a bad protagonist?

    i said he’s morally awful. like his actions from the timeskip to the end make him a terrible person

  • Apr 7, 2022
    Stardust
    https://twitter.com/itskindred/status/1511769895985463310

    Isayama: "Racism bad, war bad, genocide bad"
    Twitter: "So you're saying racism good, war good, genocide good?"

    i stg creators cannot create stories/characters that are morally ambiguous or off putting without some dumbasses getting convinced that it’s the creator’s personal views some people are just very dumb and that’s all there is to it

  • Apr 7, 2022
    Stardust
    https://twitter.com/itskindred/status/1511769895985463310

    Isayama: "Racism bad, war bad, genocide bad"
    Twitter: "So you're saying racism good, war good, genocide good?"

    Basically

  • Apr 7, 2022

    something something death of the author

  • Apr 7, 2022
    aglow

    That's a good point, idk actually maybe it was for dramatic purposes?

    He snuck in with the rest of the wounded soldiers to infiltrate he had to be on the field to be taken in

  • Apr 8, 2022
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    Another part? Does it feel like they stretching it in the anime or they genuinely need a 3 part finale?

  • Apr 8, 2022
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    Stardust
    https://twitter.com/itskindred/status/1511769895985463310

    Isayama: "Racism bad, war bad, genocide bad"
    Twitter: "So you're saying racism good, war good, genocide good?"

    I mean didn’t Isayama say some f***ed s*** before so these comments about this aren’t really that off the wall.

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    SBMike

    Another part? Does it feel like they stretching it in the anime or they genuinely need a 3 part finale?

    For what’s going to happen? Yes. But I won’t argue it’s also weird to advertise a final szn and release it in 3 parts. Though you won’t see me complain that they’re taking absolute care and time into making it as perfect as it can be on the anime’s 10th anniversary.

  • Apr 8, 2022
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    SBMike

    I mean didn’t Isayama say some f***ed s*** before so these comments about this aren’t really that off the wall.

    Link?

  • SBMike

    Another part? Does it feel like they stretching it in the anime or they genuinely need a 3 part finale?

    Nah they haven't touched several chapters

  • Apr 8, 2022
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    SBMike

    https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/144/0000219184?sid=001

    Is it confirmed that twitter account is his?

  • Apr 8, 2022
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    Also, isnt this news 10 years old or so? Considering the story he wrote, i find it hard to believe he'd ever had those views or that he wouldnt have changed his opinions if he actually tweeted all that 10 years ago

  • Apr 8, 2022
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    Stardust

    Also, isnt this news 10 years old or so? Considering the story he wrote, i find it hard to believe he'd ever had those views or that he wouldnt have changed his opinions if he actually tweeted all that 10 years ago

    I mean you could hold those views and write about views entirely separate from you in a story

  • Apr 8, 2022
    ragedsycokiller

    I mean you could hold those views and write about views entirely separate from you in a story

    You dont make those views the center piece of your story though, and certainly not to the extent isayama has, sending his message in such a obvious way, even repeated by multiple characters he chose to portray now as the "heroes", that some people have been complaining the story hasnt been that subtle with it. I find it REALLY hard to believe that despite all of this hes just a alt right 4 chan troll that believes none of what hes written