Mar 30·1 replyAlso have you read capitalist realism
OPMar 30kurapikaDo you still want to live in cuba tho
Yes. It's not Cuba's fault that Donald Trump is trying to strangle the country into submission.
- OPMar 30kurapika
Also have you read capitalist realism
Yes, it is a book for privileged white people tbh
- OPMar 30·2 replies
To assume that socialism can't work because Europe, the most savage, violent, backwards continent in history, was incapable of building it effectively (despite many honest and incredible efforts) is pure white worship. European civilizations are by far the least morally/spiritually equipped to build socialism. It's not even worth seriously dwelling on European socialism atp
Mar 30kurapikaDo you still want to live in cuba tho
F*** you dude
Mar 30kurapikaDo you still want to live in cuba tho
everything bad you’ve heard about Cuba comes from people whose families owned slaves there & from the US gvmt
Mar 30·3 repliesBrainwashed mfs itt
Mar 30Vert1600Brainwashed mfs itt
- OPMar 31Vert1600
Brainwashed mfs itt
Considering the global communist movement collapsed by the end of 1992 outside of 2 countries, one of which doesn't even have civilian access to the worldwide web and the other of which is literally being starved to death by the United States, I'm failing to see where we would be getting brainwashed? China hasn't even attempted to export socialism since the late 70s, Vietnam and Laos followed suit due to isolation. North Korea is like the most culturally isolated country on the planet, and Cuba has been fighting for its own survival ever since the Special Period.
We just think socialism is superior to capitalism, because it is. The theory holds up, the execution also holds up. It's a better system if you're a working person.
- Mar 31·2 repliesUlyanov_
To assume that socialism can't work because Europe, the most savage, violent, backwards continent in history, was incapable of building it effectively (despite many honest and incredible efforts) is pure white worship. European civilizations are by far the least morally/spiritually equipped to build socialism. It's not even worth seriously dwelling on European socialism atp
Thats not really the assumption in the book, like there were failed revolutions not just in europe right , but in africa and south east asia . Also are you realy making the argument that certain groups of people are not morally/spiritually ready for socialism, thats a bit of a worrying line of thinking. especially when we know how much capitalism and material conditions play into that in the first place
Also what are your thoughts on traore
- Mar 31kurapika
Thats not really the assumption in the book, like there were failed revolutions not just in europe right , but in africa and south east asia . Also are you realy making the argument that certain groups of people are not morally/spiritually ready for socialism, thats a bit of a worrying line of thinking. especially when we know how much capitalism and material conditions play into that in the first place
Also what are your thoughts on traore
Caucasoid detector off the charts
Mar 31·2 repliesUlyanov_To assume that socialism can't work because Europe, the most savage, violent, backwards continent in history, was incapable of building it effectively (despite many honest and incredible efforts) is pure white worship. European civilizations are by far the least morally/spiritually equipped to build socialism. It's not even worth seriously dwelling on European socialism atp
Marx was European
- Mar 31·1 replyElric
Marx was European
we all got flaws
Mar 31Vert1600Brainwashed mfs itt
you tell em adolf hitler
Mar 31·1 replyWRUwe all got flaws
not everyone can be welsh to be fair
- Mar 31Drogon
not everyone can be welsh to be fair
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- Mar 31·1 replyUlyanov_
You're confusing the level of material development built from capitalist society, with the mode of production itself.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying the material standard of living afforded to the American "middle class", but the issue is how we arrived to that standard of living. But socialism can, eventually, produce close to the material standard of living for working people in the US as capitalism presently does, but without the instability and periodic crises.
What I was trying to point out is that socialism hasn't, yet, produce a truly affluent society. But this is because the least-equipped countries in the world have historically taken the mantle to build socialism, and are up against unyielding opposition from the strongest, most developed countries in human history. If we stopped attacking these countries ceaselessly, they could provide a legitimately affluent way of life for working people. Not luxurious, but comfortable and enjoyable, like an upper middle class urban lifestyle. We don't need to view pursuing socialism as settling for an ascetic lifestyle. The less-than-ideal living conditions of some socialist countries (and they are very much only slightly less-than-ideal, at worst, when they're not at war) is a byproduct of trying to survive in a globalized capitalist system, not a feature of socialist construction itself.
I dont think you understand imperialism and how the middle class western lifestyle is provided through it. A working class person in nigeria has to do backbreaking labor in an oil rig for 5 bucks a day so that the surplus profits can then be fed to private companies who then provide cheap goods to the west. There is no “middle class lifestyle” without this exploitation of the majority of the world. Its ironic your advocating for socialism with such a bourgeoisie viewpoint
- Mar 31·2 replies
That post proves my exact point that marxists just want a more equitable division of the spoils of imperialism
Mar 31How could we is give out the resources to all the people and bomb the irans
Mar 31·2 repliesShadow374I dont think you understand imperialism and how the middle class western lifestyle is provided through it. A working class person in nigeria has to do backbreaking labor in an oil rig for 5 bucks a day so that the surplus profits can then be fed to private companies who then provide cheap goods to the west. There is no “middle class lifestyle” without this exploitation of the majority of the world. Its ironic your advocating for socialism with such a bourgeoisie viewpoint
I disagree that the quantity of material comfort of suburban America is unachievable without extraction/exploitation
It obviously would look vastly different (car dependency, reduction of service economy) but suburban America is not an unattainable level of wealth for the people of the world in the future
- Mar 31·2 replieseye contact
I disagree that the quantity of material comfort of suburban America is unachievable without extraction/exploitation
It obviously would look vastly different (car dependency, reduction of service economy) but suburban America is not an unattainable level of wealth for the people of the world in the future
How about the people of Africa and the middle east live completely free of western profit exploitation and decide what way of living we want for ourselves? Africa can produce for itself in abundance but is being parasitically used by the rest of the world. Americans provide and labor for themselves and leave the rest of the world alone
- Mar 31Shadow374
How about the people of Africa and the middle east live completely free of western profit exploitation and decide what way of living we want for ourselves? Africa can produce for itself in abundance but is being parasitically used by the rest of the world. Americans provide and labor for themselves and leave the rest of the world alone
No one is denying that, we’re simply talking about the potential of QOL in a quantitative manner
Mar 31·1 replyWhat happens to strip clubs in a socialist system?
- Mar 31·1 replyShadow374
That post proves my exact point that marxists just want a more equitable division of the spoils of imperialism
what revisionists and opportunists want has nothing to do with "marxism"
- Mar 31·2 replieseye contact
I disagree that the quantity of material comfort of suburban America is unachievable without extraction/exploitation
It obviously would look vastly different (car dependency, reduction of service economy) but suburban America is not an unattainable level of wealth for the people of the world in the future
maybe in an abstract sense that is true but in the immediate future anti-colonial revolution in the Americas would mean a decrease in the living standards of settlers