I found it more digestible than Beau Is Afraid but still a frustrating watch nonetheless. I suppose my main issue is that his last two films feel more like essays with characters used to move the “plot” forward. I do not care for the characters, they don’t even feel like real people. For the most part, I do not care for what happens. In the end the only thing I’m left with is trying to make sense of what it was I watched but there is no emotional investment on my end.
And unfortunately, I don’t have the experience or knowledge needed to fully appreciate or understand the films. Judging by the discourse around the film, it seems I am not alone. So it begs the question then: what’s the point? If Aster is making films for himself, go off, I guess. But if the majority of people don’t understand them then did you succeed as a filmmaker? It’s not like they’re Lynchian films, they’re dense and full of layers. I don’t know.
spoiler alert, I guess, for my interpretation:
Although COVID was a literal disease, there was also the disease of social media and how it and its effects were upped 100x during the pandemic. The biggest basis for it being people unable to communicate or even agree on anything and their opinions/thoughts being amplified to an extreme and being unable to understand anything that doesn’t align.
The first obvious example is when the sheriff responds to the call of the homeless guy trying to get inside the bar. The sheriff and mayor don’t like each other and maybe that’s part of the reason, but they can’t even agree to what’s happening: is the homeless trying to break in or is the mayor not letting him in as it’s technically an open business?
And throughout the film there are several disagreements and misunderstandings and it spreads from character to character, even those on the “same side.” By the end, everyone is affected to some extent. The only people that are better off are the grifters and those that take advantage of others.
And while all of these shenanigans are happening? The shadowy figures are making moves to make sure the AI/server facility gets built.
the tl:dr being that COVID altered society in many ways and social media amplifies the many disagreements and creates these tribes that all distract us from the bigger picture
From your interpretation it sounds like you did understand the main point at least
WOW
Movie of the year for me holy s*** there’s so much to unpack we gonna be studying this nigga films for years he just made some s*** with this one though woah
Today
imma give this movie one more chance today but as of right now this is by far ari’s weakest film and ima beau is afraid truther
This made me rewatch beau and idk man, that's lowkey his best/my favorite
Utterly INSANE control of mood going on in that picture
This made me rewatch beau and idk man, that's lowkey his best/my favorite
Utterly INSANE control of mood going on in that picture
I just dont understand how someone can be like... "The first third was a masterpiece. Everything after PISSES ME OFF so F*** THIS FILM, I can't trust Ari Aster any more. Go back to horror."
I understand not liking the film, and I'm not saying the people here do this, but it's almost like there's this attitude of, "You have to answer for your crimes. We want you to be ambitious, and a genius, but if you don't do that in the way we like then we're furious."
This made me rewatch beau and idk man, that's lowkey his best/my favorite
Utterly INSANE control of mood going on in that picture
Masterpiece and the third best movie of the 2020s behind Killers of the Flower Moon and NOPE.
I just dont understand how someone can be like... "The first third was a masterpiece. Everything after PISSES ME OFF so F*** THIS FILM, I can't trust Ari Aster any more. Go back to horror."
I understand not liking the film, and I'm not saying the people here do this, but it's almost like there's this attitude of, "You have to answer for your crimes. We want you to be ambitious, and a genius, but if you don't do that in the way we like then we're furious."
I think I felt that way on first viewing because it was so all over the place, and I still HATE HATE HATE the p\*\*\*\* monster, feel like there HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO CONVEY WHAT THAT STAYS WITHIN THE VISUAL AND TONAL LANGUAGE OF THE FILM but once I saw the second time and let it breathe, it all clicked into place. It just feels like
1. They only want him to do horror because of hereditary and midsommar, like you said, and I feel like this extends to Eddington as well
2. Anything that goes over 2 or more genres is considered "tonal whiplash" by anyone trying to sound smart that isn't really into the art form
And 3. Anything that can be interpreted more than one way, or having a primary POV that isn't necessarily reliable in a surrealist sense, is considered "messy"
Like idk Ari is GOAT because he mixes it up. I think more easily satisfied ppl eat up the Osgood Perkins type of "auteurism" more than this sort of genuine experimentation. Operating within the guidelines vs. making new ones
Just really feel dire about film criticism as a whole as of late
Masterpiece and the third best movie of the 2020s behind Killers of the Flower Moon and NOPE.
I think beau, challengers and the brutalist are maybe my top 3 rn. tenet and blonde runners up
I think beau, challengers and the brutalist are maybe my top 3 rn. tenet and blonde runners up
still gotta see the brutalist but great picks
still gotta see the brutalist but great picks
Fasho, nope was classic as s***, I gotta run flower moon back tho
From your interpretation it sounds like you did understand the main point at least
At least it was my interpretation, which may or may not be accurate. Although you could argue that there is no right/wrong when it comes to art, what matters is what you get out of it, but idk, that feels like a cop out.
And I only arrived to this interpretation because I was so uninterested with what was going on on screen that my mind wandered and hyper-focused on finding a meaning.
I was in there like this:
if Ari worked with an editor and was able to make his films shorter then they'd improve drastically. As is I can't even recommend watching something this dense without doing it in the comfort of their own home where they can pause and rewind if needed.
Midsummer might be his weakest film
King Ari
Masterpiece and the third best movie of the 2020s behind Killers of the Flower Moon and NOPE.
So real for the NOPE love. Underrated masterpiece
The cops and the klan go hand n hand
I think I felt that way on first viewing because it was so all over the place, and I still HATE HATE HATE the p\*\*\*\* monster, feel like there HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY TO CONVEY WHAT THAT STAYS WITHIN THE VISUAL AND TONAL LANGUAGE OF THE FILM but once I saw the second time and let it breathe, it all clicked into place. It just feels like
1. They only want him to do horror because of hereditary and midsommar, like you said, and I feel like this extends to Eddington as well
2. Anything that goes over 2 or more genres is considered "tonal whiplash" by anyone trying to sound smart that isn't really into the art form
And 3. Anything that can be interpreted more than one way, or having a primary POV that isn't necessarily reliable in a surrealist sense, is considered "messy"
Like idk Ari is GOAT because he mixes it up. I think more easily satisfied ppl eat up the Osgood Perkins type of "auteurism" more than this sort of genuine experimentation. Operating within the guidelines vs. making new ones
Just really feel dire about film criticism as a whole as of late
Great points.
I'll also say, I'm starting to really hate the critique of, "This movie is not even saying anything!" Like... what makes you so sure you knew exactly what the movie was trying to say?? Where's the hubris? Why would you ever levy that at someone like Aster? Aster is so concerned about saying things that he'll include scenes that you don't even think are relevant, because you're unaware of intention. The meaning is the center of the movie, it's not on him to dictate his morality beyond the meaning he wants to convey. He has something he's taking aim at, but he's packaging it in bleak dark humor and satire. I understand finding the bleakness to be distancing, but Aster clearly has perspective.
I think beau, challengers and the brutalist are maybe my top 3 rn. tenet and blonde runners up
i got
1. EEAAO 🥸
2. Challengers
3. Marcel 🐚
4. Beau
5. Megalopolis
For a movie supposed to be about people believing insane things because of THE INTERNET, the characters in this movie are just...normal. The narcissistic paranoid mother didn't need the internet to be like that. Joe doesn't like masks because he's asthmatic and because he hates Garcia. Then what...? Emma Stones is right to leave her s***ty husband and crazy mother—at least Butler takes her abuse seriously and is hot.
No. The only internet psychosis conspiracy comes from Aster himself who decided to show mythical "crisis actors". The stupid tweet about "this is a distraction from the Real Issue" turned into a movie.
It would be a fun episode of South Park if it were funnier.
EDIT: My algorithm is showing me Snyder stans being insane about the new Superman movies, talking about what box-office numbers really mean, the Big Lies of corporate media about NUMBERS: this is the kind of mainstream insanity made possible online today, but Eddington, despite what Aster or the marketing says, isn't about that. But I sure believe that Aster is confused.
this was f***ing hilarious to watch as someone who was in high school in 2020. i think the ending was somewhat over the top, but ari aster's insistence on putting joaquin phoenix through the wringer is always compelling.
id think my ranking of his films now would go
1. hereditary
2. eddington
3. beau is afraid
4. midsommar