Oct 4·3 replies
JonboiAlejandro's point makes no sense.
The audience isn't laughing at themselves, they're laughing at a specific group of politicians and power players. If Alejandro wanted us to earnestly meditate on the cathartic power of art, the only evidence he gives for that is the speech given by Kenny (something TOLD to us, with dramatic irony that mirrors ideas of controlling the narrative discussed in the play) and a brief audience reaction where they cry and mutter "fuck you" under their breath. Which is then immediately followed by an ending which undercuts it and highlights the dramatic irony of the situation. Alejandro never pauses to show reverence for art. The more I think about it the more I think Alejandro does want us to fall somewhere in between, despite constructing a movie that argues much more convincingly for the cynical interpretation. This is partly because it's a much more dramatically interesting thesis. What's interesting about "art gives us catharsis, and that's good, but still the world sucks"? No s\*\*\*. That's a really tepid and boring point to make! It doesn't justify the framing device.
No matter what angle you look at the movie from, you run into problems. I just think the movie doesn't work.
The point is it’s co-opted by nefarious people that don’t actually care about the causes they care about MONEY. He doesn’t run an art company . He doesn’t even continue environmentalism company he inherited . He runs a SECURITY company in a dystopia. Used for MASS SURVEILLANCE. If someone running mass surveillance creates art they give the ILLUSION of revolutionary content while their actions don’t reflect that . They buy the idea from the POOR. Change the songs meaning as the credits make clear . Those that fund movies create cuts that abandon THE ORIGINAL ARTIST message and purpose . The original artist were AMERICAN they wrote it as a response . The movie is directed by a billionaire who choose all the actors and a cast of British people removed from Americas reality
- Oct 4·2 replies
Wow another person saying exactly what I was saying
Who would have thought
Oct 4
ghosting
https://twitter.com/amywelborn2/status/2106767995557036186
Ya diiiiig
- Oct 4
Had people telling me I didn’t understand the movie lol
Oct 4Great movie
- Oct 4·3 repliesHaroldsChicken
The point is it’s co-opted by nefarious people that don’t actually care about the causes they care about MONEY. He doesn’t run an art company . He doesn’t even continue environmentalism company he inherited . He runs a SECURITY company in a dystopia. Used for MASS SURVEILLANCE. If someone running mass surveillance creates art they give the ILLUSION of revolutionary content while their actions don’t reflect that . They buy the idea from the POOR. Change the songs meaning as the credits make clear . Those that fund movies create cuts that abandon THE ORIGINAL ARTIST message and purpose . The original artist were AMERICAN they wrote it as a response . The movie is directed by a billionaire who choose all the actors and a cast of British people removed from Americas reality
If Alejandro really didn't intend this then he's horrible at optics
It absolutely reads as a story about controlled opposition. Kenny perfectly mirrors Digger when he tells Ginesh to tell the truth. - ghosting ⏎Oct 4HaroldsChicken
The point is it’s co-opted by nefarious people that don’t actually care about the causes they care about MONEY. He doesn’t run an art company . He doesn’t even continue environmentalism company he inherited . He runs a SECURITY company in a dystopia. Used for MASS SURVEILLANCE. If someone running mass surveillance creates art they give the ILLUSION of revolutionary content while their actions don’t reflect that . They buy the idea from the POOR. Change the songs meaning as the credits make clear . Those that fund movies create cuts that abandon THE ORIGINAL ARTIST message and purpose . The original artist were AMERICAN they wrote it as a response . The movie is directed by a billionaire who choose all the actors and a cast of British people removed from Americas reality
I dont think they ever said the original playwright was American
Oct 4·2 replieshttps://twitter.com/roxana_hadadi/status/2106764038742872325HaroldsChickenWow another person saying exactly what I was saying
Who would have thought
it’s crazy how much this works on a meta level considering it’s basically Warner’s last “true” movie
- ghosting ⏎Oct 4·1 reply
- ghosting ⏎Oct 4
its also kind of bleakly funny that the actor for digger ends up feeling genuinely indebted and grateful to the plemmons character after he personally benefits from his wealth& power that came from/contributed to the destruction of the environment that they are satirizing in the play
- Oct 4·1 replyJonboi
The guy who used to have that Kanye podcast "Watching the Throne" thinks Kenny is meant to be sincere.
Interesting counterpoint to some of the takes here
https://twitter.com/thechrislambert/status/2106279913443488215When you read through this it's actually pretty poorly argued. He uses Anton Chigurh as an example of how a film can undercut an idea through an event and an image instead of dialogue and then just.... doesn't talk about how the ending of this film does that.
Oct 4Yeah gonna have to run this back
proper 🔩Oct 4·1 replyghostingthe alarm at the end basically means that we are the audience watching Fossil Fools type s\*\*\*
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- Oct 4Sherman
it’s crazy how much this works on a meta level considering it’s basically Warner’s last “true” movie
Shame tom cruise essentially sold out to Kenny Rockwell
- Oct 4Jonboi
If Alejandro really didn't intend this then he's horrible at optics
It absolutely reads as a story about controlled opposition. Kenny perfectly mirrors Digger when he tells Ginesh to tell the truth. Spoiler tags . I 100% agree though it is controlled opposition
- Oct 4Jonboi
When you read through this it's actually pretty poorly argued. He uses Anton Chigurh as an example of how a film can undercut an idea through an event and an image instead of dialogue and then just.... doesn't talk about how the ending of this film does that.
He been defending his view as someone who clearly didn’t pay attention multiple times
- ghosting ⏎Oct 4proper
shift*
us type shift
- Oct 4
You can’t be part of installing a surveillance state and care about art
- Oct 4Sherman
it’s crazy how much this works on a meta level considering it’s basically Warner’s last “true” movie
Kenny Rockwell seemingly took over the "Green Energy" company run by Digger's sister and Kenny's mother, Emma Rockwell, played by Sandra Hüller. Digger, of course, never cared about this "Green Energy," just as Emma never truly cared that Digger was destroying the planet.
People keep making him seem morally grey ironically because they like the message even if they hate the messenger same as what digger was saying
Oct 4·1 replyis imax worth it
- Oct 4Jonboi
If Alejandro really didn't intend this then he's horrible at optics
It absolutely reads as a story about controlled opposition. Kenny perfectly mirrors Digger when he tells Ginesh to tell the truth. While also making clear in a way the poor artist that sold it to him sold out . Allowing what in their hands was moving content to her the illusion of it . Whether you believe Kenny Rockwell made changes or not is up to you but it’s fair to not trust him
- Oct 4youdaftpunk
is imax worth it
Yes I think I shall run it back in imax tonight