bieber did 30k with his last album, ariana 40k, pop artists normally sell more pures so I think 40k is a fair guess, maybe up to 60k

Sales talk is cringe.

Only way I’m buying physical is if they album super special and he drops that vinyl . Art work also gotta be fire

Well because then it turns into opinions and preferences. It’s not a centralized discussion at that point.

fwiw summer is technically until end of September

Music isn't suppose to be centralized. The business of rap is ran by rich white ppl so who viewing things using tha lens.

Explain to me, using sales, why Drake liked Ratchet Happy Birthday enough to put on an album but not Summern16 lol..

Explain using sales how Scorpion is better than Take Care

Sales talk cant explain and replace the music discussing or even a good metrics for comparing quality.

The only ppl that should be obsessed with sales are the people who makes money off of that.

Social?

NWTS deserved an official vinyl release

I don’t think the content of the albums matter, it’s more so the promotion + rollout. Kanye’s album was promoted for longer but it was delayed time and time again. Drake’s was more or less a surprise release.

It does matter. A lot of people didnt check for Dark Lane because it has Demos in the title. Even Mal said this on the JBP

I was just explaining why people discuss sales tbh not taking a side. Because discussions of the things you mentioned is a circular argument of opinions and preferences.

I didn’t think about titles so Kanye got the christian crowd + his own fans and drake has less than normal stuff because of the surprise release + demos in the name

At end of the day all that matters is the music itself is good

Criminal we haven’t got one

Since many people like to use DLDT as a reference point and act like it's numbers were so poor, DLDT is the bar for rappers now as far as I'm concerned. It also needs to be stated that it was a collection of leaks and demos Drake released as a surprise and with no bundles.

DLDT pulled 223K first week.

Notable hip-hop releases since then and their first week numbers (albums marked used bundles):

• Juice WRLD - Legends Never Die: 497K
  J. Cole - The Off-Season: 282K
• Pop Smoke - Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon: 251K
• Logic - No Pressure: 221K
• 21 Savage & Metro Boomin - Savage Mode II: 171K
  Tyler, the Creator - Call Me If You Get Lost: 169K
• Future - High Off Life: 153K
  Lil Baby & Lil Durk - The Voice of the Streets: 150K
  Kid Cudi - Man on the Moon III: The Chosen: 144K
  Polo G - Hall of Fame: 143K
• Nav - Good Intentions: 135K
  Migos - Culture 3: 130K
  Rod Wave - SoulFly: 130K
  Young Stoner Life, Young Thug & Gunna - Slime Language 2: 113K
  Gunna - Wunna: 111K
  Moneybagg Yo - A Gangsta's Pain: 110K
  Doja Cat - Planet Her: 109K
• Big Sean - Detroit 2: 103K
  Playboi Carti - Whole Lotta Red: 100K
  Polo G - The Goat: 99K
  Lil Durk - Just Cause Y'all Waited 2: 57K
• 6ix9ine - TattleTales: 53K
  Jack Harlow - That's What They All Say: 51K
  Nas - King's Disease: 47K
  Lil Yatchy - Lil Boat 3: 30K

you niggaz don’t need to fall into the bait of the numbers game. drake going platinum first week in the streaming era says it all and it shows how no one can really mess with him numbers wise.

also dldt is a surprise demo tape and barely any rappers can do better numbers than it lol. cole had a whole album with two weeks of anticipation and still did worse to a few hours notice

The hearts, CLB and signature on the laptop😮 so much teasing these last few days… we are very close

It matters a lot. If people like an album, it's usually reflected in it's first week numbers and if not then, in it's subsequent weeks.

This isn't true and you know it lol. Sales and numbers matter A LOT. That's what the entire music business is ran on.