Ngl I’m mad tired of Yall trying to shoehorn big 3 convos and talking about the old days like history will inevitably repeat itself like nah bro

its possible. i can see it.
but wed have to wait over the next year to see if other artists follow suit. altho even WHAM was like, 15? Its def getting to under 20 territory more and more
BUT i def have noticed it's also been a big shift over the past few years in what blows an artist and what labels consider artist development. I think labels have finally adapted to modern times and realized in the internet age, usually people's biggest work is their best balance of acessibility, experimentation, and just having SOMETHING unique to you for people to gravitate to, that fills a gap that audiences generally desire.

It's a lot of artists that have been working for years that randomly blew up and have had their biggest moments yet even outside the mainstream and in it. MIKE, baby keem, doechii, FKA Twigs, Charli, Travis Scott, Sahbabii, tyler, ken carson, even glorilla and sexxy redd
these artists all have had their biggest moments lately with reasonable length albums with a balance of being mad unique, their most daring work yet, but having nuggets of acessible hit material. When it comes to older artists, they are essentially new artists again as they have been grinding for years and tiktok has given them new life in the mainstream/sub underground. For new artists they are being given time to develop and grow into solid all around artists and ppl gravitate to them because they cant get what they have somewhere else, and its balancing things out.

the industry has essentially recovered fully since covid finally and i believe labels have adapted in a good way finally as theyve seen their foothold getting challenged, which is leading to old school proper artist pushes and artist development not seen.

a lot of people try to judge this era by the metrics of the 2010s also and thats just a mistake because something like a big 3 just is not that feasable anymore due to peoples music listening habits lol, a lot of those guys got big off REALLY good standard pop radio records for parties or girls early on, thats not what blows you anymore.
there will be a trope in hip hop now prolly forever of "whos the big 3 this or that", but i mean even in that era it wasnt that obvious a lot of ppl wouldve scoffed at that idea before 2016. i dont see why its essential for a good era of music

everyone listens to their pocket corner or just a wide variety of random lil pockets they love in music now, and its just a dif game. superstars will still emerge because covid was a wrench in everything but being a superstar is not the name of the game anymore and thats GOOD! it erroded many careers of the blog era into being just a blog era rapper instead of doing what they do best, imagine if logic just stuck to boom bap rapping.

plus if any of them came out today yall would call them corny

what youll notice too is long albums are getting way more intentional we getting some long masterpieces here and there like saheem, ganger, conglomerate, almighty so 2

"just isnt good" to you. it doesnt indicate a loss in musicianship those ppl are still talented. just not musicianship that produces music that, you like. and thats fine u dont have to like what the young people like but that doesnt mean they lack skill

when it comes to young people not doing that type of music i can think of doechii, keem, niontay, glorilla, veeze, yeat s*** last year, kenny mason, el cousteau, 454

and tyler finally getting his flowers

It's been almost 10 years since this trend of 20+ albums became established and i still for the life of me can't get use to it at all lol

Thug and Future are my exceptions tho admittley

I don’t really think that’s the case just yet @op when we got sza doing numbers with her deluxe + gnx’s recent performance being the result of the Super Bowl. With that being said, I do hope that’s the case and the way music is consumed changes every 10 or so years so…

usually pendulum swings back and forth on this stuff with what audiences want, from like part of 2016-2019 people prioritized short album, 2020-2023 it was long ass album its prob gonna go to medium/shorter s*** now. hopefully not to the extent of 2018

No I'm pretty sure it isn't good to many people not just me

Also a lot of the people in your post are pushing 30 I'm not talking about them.

I'm talking about the nettspend/opium rip off kinda mfs yeah they 100% lack skill and are talentless. I would understand if they were making hit records but they can't even do that. You take away their vocal presets and they don't even sound coherent half the time. The beats and vocal presets are (barely) carrying them.

By the time the next generation comes around musicianship is going to be damn near nonexistent if these kids are growing up thinking underground osamason type beat garbage is mbdtf/yeezus/wtt level cause it's clear their parents aren't teaching them s*** about music.

the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within

went to two clubs on Saturday heard a total of 0 kendrick songs and several drake skngs including nokia

again, to you and peeople who agree with you.
subjective opinion.
many also love it, otherwise it wouldnt be the size it is and so many young people wouldnt be doing it.

we never determined new artist by age first of all we determine it by if they r new to the scene.
Kendrick was 25 when gkmc released and j cole was 28 when born sinner released, 50 was 28 when get rich released rick ross was 29 when hustlin released

second of all doechii is 26, keem is 24, yeat is 25, niontay is 25, cousteau is 25, glorilla is 25. the 30 year olds here are veeze kenny mason and 454 and they are 30 on the DOT or 29. Thats NINE artists i feel like thats enough to reference to get the point across

third of all no, they arent talentless. you just subjectively dont like the music. I don't know what you count as musicianship but they r p talented at doing what they do it just might be too abrasive or left field for you which is fine. theres a reason a million people want to be destroy lonely, ken carson, or xaviersobased these people are really good at what they do. your talking about an entire group of subgenres of trap music thats just "too loud and distorted for you", sounds like how a traditional rock fan would talk about no wave or noise rock or punk in the 80s
its not trying to be mbdtf or yeezus not everyone has that arbitrary measure of "high" or "low" art and even if that was the case your expecting 16, 20, 23 year olds to be copying a 15 year old album? yeezus is a good comparison actually because yeezus was a mainstream interpretation of industrial hip hop, which in a way this modern wave of experimentation resembles at times. osamason's textures are downright industrial and hard to get into at times.

Why does everyone on the internet act like “this” now lmao. Nigga big 3’s/top 5 or so people doing anything have always been a thing, even in the era they ran away from it because they didnt want actual rapping responsibility it was future thug travis carti and whoever else you wanna say interchangeably Uzi 21 Kodak

it has always been a thing but the convo of "oh whos the big 3 like the new kendrick the new cole nad new drake" is kinda tired

Because niggas dont have the versatility and intangibles of the past two classes of niggas like that and y’all wanna make excuses for that so it vaguely becomes “the convo is tired”. Thats how everything works now lol

youre wrong and now trying to explain to me in so many ways how wrong you are. guess you could say telling people 'on the internet' theyre wrong has always been a thing as well

well there you go someone explained it to you and youre still here being wrong. all star pattern recognition

no its because the way people listen to music now the "big 3" that existed is way harder. and this was a one time thing that has never existed before. Not for all of hip hop. There isnt a defined big 3 of the 00s by rap listeners, there isnt one for the 90s, theres just the 10s and even then people argue with it. You dont get big off of radio singles about drinking and love with ballad choruses anymore and get the artist development those guys get and that level of audience patience anymore. and people dont listen to artists to get a all in one package in general anymoer either, they go to artists for what they are good at.

your using arbitrary criteria that doesnt apply anymore in a dif time and dif environment history isnt bound to repeat this is liek guys in the 10s being like "whos the 2pac and biggie of our era?"

if j cole came out nowadays yall would call him corny, he wouldnt have been able to put out FNL without sample clearances and it wouldve flown under the radar, and hed get a hate train off a cliff before forest hills drive. im p sure a rapper of the caliber he was pre fhd would not even be respected like that due to way higher standards now.

AND ID ARGUE RAP IS BETTER OFF FOR IT ANYWAY

Thinly veiled Drake hate thread

GNX has no skips

Thank you Kgoat

"I got something for the streets, something for the clubs, something for the ladies"

Was a very common quote when I was growing up.....I always knew the album was going to be average at best when I heard that s***. Lol

unfortunately while it's nice to imagine this, I think Kendrick is an outlier lol but I would love to be proven wrong

this why i like the shift in the 20s cuz a lot of artist that aint need to do that made themselves do that cuz versatility was so glorified in the 10s. like imagine if logic just stuck to boom bap