To take the Holocaust and Nazism and to try to compare them to normal everyday people by focusing on their mundane lives is so insincere and is nothing more than self-projection from Glazer.

I don't think that was Glazer's point. Imo, the juxtaposition was done to show you not only just how capable humanity is of extreme evil, but just how easily those same "normal" people can detach from said extremities. He even takes the cold, clinical approach with his directing to emphasize that. The final scene that shows a flashforward to Hoss' 'legacy' is such a gut punch that any shred of 'humanity' that was on display through the mundane fades away completely. The film even knows to perfectly wrap up there.

But it is his point because the films approach is to take Nazis and to reduce them down into thinking like everyday people worried about building their home, worrying about their kids, having family time, dealing with a parent having to move for work, etc. The execution is to observe them from a distance as they behave like everyday humans would with the caveat that they are overlooking literal genocide. It's a pointed message to us and how we overlook atrocities around the world whether its the genocide currently happening or its climate change or racism because we got our own things to deal with in life. I think even in its final remarks, it approaches it more from an angle of how propaganda and the "work" we do can contort our own mental viewpoints and function as an arm of our government's propaganda machine.

My pic for Best Picture though I know it’s going to Oppenheimer

One of the most challenging movies of the 21st century

I think it’ll win international picture of the year

You seen the rest? Only gonna watch Perfect Days unless I hear otherwise.

No I was planning to watch Perfect Days & Society of Snow but I know I won’t be able to get to both before the Oscars tomorrow

Yeah, I won't even get to Perfect Days before. I played too much catch up in the past couple of weeks.

Was gonna watch The Teachers Lounge a while back on a whim but the only word I've heard about it since was quite mixed

Mid but good, not spectacular

As a German I've seen so much media on Nazis both German and American etc, and in basically all of it at least to some degree I found they took the easy way out by painting nazis as evil caricatures.

when I first heard of Glazer making a holocaust film I was a bit concerned that he would ultimately fall into the same trap but super happy that he now ended up the one brave enough to finally challenge this. and by doing that also gives us perfect commentary on how the cognitive dissonance which made nazism so evil is still very much around and even has barely ever been so obvious in Israel for example, ironically enough.

easily the best film ever made on nazis tbh and one of the best films to come out in a long time imo. should've never doubted the GOATlazer

seeing tonight

It’s mid and good?

Good s***. Glazer's always been great and his speech last night calling out support for Gaza was exceptional.

Nah bro let’s watch teachers lounge

Like on a date?

Bottom of the barrel lack of humanity 🗑️🗑️🗑️

still aint on the Oscars yt channel, nor his press room video if there even was one

this was damn near a masterpiece. I feel disturbed on so many levels

Didnt Bruno Ganz already challenge this? I thought Downfall was controversial for arguably going too far in humanizing Hitler

yh true, I still haven't seen Der Untergang and rly should.. Bruno Ganz absolute legend. there's definitely both a lot of power and problematics in centering Hitler in the story. Glazer's approach is I think overall a way more effective critique in many ways, there's just a more universal element to the evils over the wall you choose to ignore rather than.. Hitler.

ofc it's still v valid to think about what Hitler was like as a person, but I think it's def more insightful into nazism as a whole to see the normal people who carried out the acts tbh. Untergang is def special for even allowing Hitler humanity, it's good to keep in mind that even he probably thought of himself as a good person... but seeing the nuance of both being evil and normal in lower ranks is def something I've never seen like this. In German films blame is usually shifted on evil authorative father figures for example, just in general a lot of scapegoating on a few "evil" characters.

and then in American films every German is an evil nazi basically lol, just a very easy villain figure, which misses the mark just as much.

it's kind of just like films about racism for example don't rly benefit from having a character who's "the racist", it kind of obscures the fact that racism is mostly a systemic problem held in place by a majority allowing it to exist